Shuttle launch a "GO"...why why why

[bocefus]

Those "innocent people" got onboard that piece of junk of their own free will.

 

[PA-44Typed]

WTF over? What your deal, you are the kind of pri@k that makes FI no fun anymore. You are the kind of kid that got picked on growing up and now you take delight in others problems. Would it make you happy if thousands of people lots there jobs?

 

[bocefus]

Does it make you feel better making absurd statements like, "no matter what, I know MY company will be strapping in the Astronauts?" It's reality my friend, get used to it. I don't want to see anyone lose their job, but the facts are what they are.

 

[gsrcrsx68]

bocefus...you are coming off as a jerk. If that's just how you "roll" then too bad for you.

Nobody here is taking your word as god over others who also have first hand experience with the subject.

Get over yourself.

 

[bocefus]

Fine, somebody Please post a credible source that contradicts my source. Pushing a broom in the shuttle warehouse hardly constitutes "first hand experience".

 

[FN FAL]

Would it make you happy if thousands of people lots there jobs?

Don't you mean, "...if thousands of people lottery they're jobs?"

 

[LarryinTN]

I don't understand that any more than I understand waiting until late afternoon in Florida to launch. Yet they wonder why there's a weather delay.

They are launching in the afternoon because the goal is to dock with the international space station. Since the shuttle can not carry unlimited fuel for orbital manuevering there is only a short launch window each day. At the moment, that launch window is falling in the afternoon.

 

[navigator72]

Beer and Hot dogs

 

[labbats]

They are launching in the afternoon because the goal is to dock with the international space station. Since the shuttle can not carry unlimited fuel for orbital manuevering there is only a short launch window each day. At the moment, that launch window is falling in the afternoon.

Ahoy, thanks. That was bothering me all day while I watched the CNN coverage.

Hope all goes well for everyone involved.

 

[Dubya]

Pa-44, have some more of that USA management koolaid. Please show me one credible source that supports your position. USA Management briefs don't count. I think you are forgetting who owns USA, Boeing and Lockmart. Oh yeah, Boeing is the majority owner

I'm still waiting on YOUR credible source hot shot. If you are so knowledgeable, then surely you have the credible source to back up YOUR claims that you are requesting from others.

W

 

[hindsight2020]

Fine, somebody Please post a credible source that contradicts my source. Pushing a broom in the shuttle warehouse hardly constitutes "first hand experience".

LMAO! I totally get your sentiment, I did 7 years of aerospace engineering, and in the process interacted with a lot of the Kool-Aid drinkers you refer to. There is a lot of punch-drinking in the aerospace industry. I too, know several Boeing, Lockheed (the devil), USA, Gulfstream-(SAV) employees, and they're all sipping that punch.

These companies have a vested interest in watching this thing launch, and although it is not in their interest for the mission to fail, the constant competition for Uncle Sam's $$$ makes these companies' money interest cloud their judgement and direct their influence negatively (read: they should cancel the Shuttle already).

The other sad thing I have witnessed is the level of wannabe-ism that exists in the aerospace industry. A lot of budding engineers with dreams of one day making it to the shuttle, or the F-22, F-35, whatever. It's real sad, and the majority of these folks do not enjoy their jobs, and as the rest of the world knew, the NASA "attitude determines your altitude" poster in your cubicle wasn't enough to make you an astronaut. There is a difference between the unwaivering perserverance that's necessary to be successful at something you're truly passionate about and trying to cover factors outside you control under the opiate that is "attitude determines your altitude" NASA posters (there's a reason they print these suckers fellas..)

Project closes, now you gotta find work somehow. Don't want to relocate? Now you're out of the aerospace industry, go code some random script for medical equipment displays. Hardly what they went into an unmarketable sector of technology to begin with. And I would know, I have two degrees in it LOL.

I remember doing the math a couple years ago and becoming discouraged by the economics of being a professional pilot, and looking into my degrees to "bite the bullet" so to speak (there was a time I thought about doing a phD on it, God save me). I couldn't stand it, having seen the dynamics of these work environments from countless colleagues, who at the time were the "lucky ones" who actually found work in such a small sector, become disgruntled and walk away from the industry in much the same manner as passenger carrier pilots walk away from their industry today.

It's not surprising at all to see Northrop-Grumman's logo pop up in my screen every morning as I log on to my computer lessons at UPT, I think of my friend who, last time I checked, worked for Northrop down in FL. How we had similar interests in technology, and how even though I may not be able to accrue a comfortable income for many years to come, I wake up every morning with the realization that what I see is what I get... and it's k!ckas$ , and how my friend constantly battles with hanging on to "the job" because it pays ok but he doesn't quite see the big picture in it like he thought he would as a freshman in college (you mean you don't get to strap to the F-22 for flight testing? The lying savages!! LOL). There are a lot of people in this industry like my friend, hoardes of quiet disgruntled laborers, and the exchange in this thread so reminded me of that struggle.


I'm for manned space flight as much as the next guy, but at the current "cost" it's just not making a good case. The fact of the matter is that the Shuttle is to NASA what The T-birds are to the USAF, a f$cking recrutiment tool; take away the Shuttle from NASA and these punch-drinkers in college would desert out of engineering and into business or finance or something with money attached to it, and universities would lose their enrollment, old crusty Apollo-era engineers-turns-tenured professors would lose their little bullet-proof gig, and Lockheed would lose the unending supply of eager high-tech cheap labor, which eventually will be fully outsourced to India anyways. No coincidence that this is an IDENTICAL dynamic to regional pilots and the Purdue/ERAU/UNDs of the world. Feeble? You bet, and that's the sad reality.

 

[Metro752]

Why? the same reasons you take an aircraft with MEL's and /or deferred items.
Because persons smarter than you have previously evaluated and accepted the risk. The afternoon launch time results from orbital mechanics.

Tell that to Columbia. You're being a tool in all your posts this thread.

That piece of JUNK will kill innocent people...AGAIN

you are a tool

Ahoy, thanks. That was bothering me all day while I watched the CNN coverage.

Hope all goes well for everyone involved.

you need to stop watching CNN, and type in http://www.nasa.gov the answer to you question was there waiting, calling out, "Labbats, come hither, I will tell you that which you wish to know, but only if you bring me a 12 pack."

 

[satpak77]

wow....lots of responses

I myself think (in the 2006 fiscal crisis) the shuttle is a waste of money. In 1980, it was cool and all, but now? cancel it

 

[Thresh]

the whole rescue stuff is their only solution. However, it's way too reactive, and nothing is proactive.

 

[LarryinTN]

Ahoy, thanks. That was bothering me all day while I watched the CNN coverage.

That's also why you sometimes have 4am landings. There are typically only two or three orbits per day that can de-orbit to a particular landing site. If they de-orbit at another time of day then they have to land at a different site.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Pretty cool to see. Went bug smashing earlier today (unlike the Shuttle, encountered weather), then come home and watch the launch from the front window. Hope my kids will remember.

 

[bocefus]

What specifically would you like Dubya. Everything I stated is fact, easily obtained from an internet search

 

[Dubya]

What specifically would you like Dubya. Everything I stated is fact, easily obtained from an internet search

Then post it. You come in with all of YOUR "facts" with no documentation...then demand it from those with a different view. If it is so easily obtained, as you say, do us all a favor...stop being an arrogant ass and post it.

W

 

[bocefus]

I already did, you are about as bright as your namesake

 

[bocefus]

Gee, were the "top safety officials" concerns not warranted?