Settle a bet...

[redhat99]

Is it reasonable to think a part-time ANG pilot can land a position at a major/national carrier with roughly 1,000tt? 2,000tt?

What is a reasonable time frame to expect to be able to land a position with a good carrier?

 

[Whataburger]

Mil pilots can (could when we were hiring) get on here with less than 2000hrs.

 

[Fox-Tree]

Is it reasonable to think a part-time ANG pilot can land a position at a major/national carrier with roughly 1,000tt? 2,000tt?

What is a reasonable time frame to expect to be able to land a position with a good carrier?

Really depends on the airframe the ANG unit flies. Cargo/Tanker type pilots might get that much time(~1000 hours) in a very busy year. So, one or two years of flying those jets probably means little to no PIC time. Most "good carriers" require PIC time.

An ANG fighter pilot might take 5-6 years to get 1000 hours and probably over 10 to get to 2000 (more if he's part time).

 

[GuppyWN]

In todays environment? I'd like to think not. There are 1,000's of super qualified, seasoned professionals that would be far superior to a 1,000 to 2,000 total time hero.

Fire away,
Gup

 

[boeingdriver213]

When airlines hiring is strong you would get hired, unfortunately that is not the case right now. Don't give up. It's not a bad career

 

[tmac3333]

I was hired at CAL with about 1,800 hours total time. Military fighter background.

 

[redhat99]

Thanks. That's what I was thinking. I can see ANG helping if you already have time in 135 or 121, but coming straight out of a CFI job into ANG with 500tt (600tt after flt training?) and expecting a good 121 gig seemed a bit optimistic to me.

 

[igneousy2]

Thanks. That's what I was thinking. I can see ANG helping if you already have time in 135 or 121, but coming straight out of a CFI job into ANG with 500tt (600tt after flt training?) and expecting a good 121 gig seemed a bit optimistic to me.

If 121 is where you want to be then I would hang on to that CFI job and build your time that way. For better or for Worse Airlines have computers checking resumes now so the more check-boxes you can check the better off you will be. F-16 pilot with 6000tt and 5000 instructing sounds really awesome even if most of the tt and all of the instruction is in a 152.

 

[Tanker Clown]

I wouldn't sweat it redhat. That's about the amount of time that I have, and it won't be an issue. Besides, I've heard that a lot of majors don't even check military guys log books. So just use a mulitiplier that make the numbers work out. That's what I'm going to do.

 

[RedDogC130]

never let a pencil come between you and a job.

 

[Whataburger]

Log a little BIC time.

 

[jtf]

ANG is a great way to do things- tons of great contacts to help you get a job and as long as you stay in, a great place to retreat to when you get furloughed (as the majority of pilots will have happen at least once in their career). I know a lot of guys who are very grateful they took this path (on furlough currently). As far as getting hired by a good company- it is like the others have said. When there are jobs available the military background seems to be a great foot in the door, but now things aren't happening for almost anyone, no matter what their background is.

 

[bmxandjets]

Thanks. That's what I was thinking. I can see ANG helping if you already have time in 135 or 121, but coming straight out of a CFI job into ANG with 500tt (600tt after flt training?) and expecting a good 121 gig seemed a bit optimistic to me.

exactly.. with a good company, TT really doesn't matter, it's the PIC time that matters. you'll need 1000 TPIC minimum, before that, it really doesn't matter... except for a few good carriers here or there that are less strict on PIC time and you rock the interview. good luck-

 

[Oh-ryan]

Over a dozen posts and this has yet to degrade into a civilian vs military debate? Come on fellas. I expect more.

Tanker Clown did his job. Ball is in your court Instructor Dude and/or SWAFO.

 

[wscrj]

Lemme try.....

Flare to land....squat to pee!

 

[Sandhawk]

I wouldn't sweat it redhat. That's about the amount of time that I have, and it won't be an issue. Besides, I've heard that a lot of majors don't even check military guys log books. So just use a mulitiplier that make the numbers work out. That's what I'm going to do.

never let a pencil come between you and a job.

Log a little BIC time.

:laugh:

 

[tmac3333]

The only company where my lack of total time was an issue when applying was AirTran. Their response at a job fair was maybe you can get some time at a regional than reapply (which I chuckled at and applied at every other major carrier). No other company that I applied had an issue with it because all my time was jet PIC. 1800 jet or turbine PIC was generally about the same with the people in my hire class, regardless of whether they were military (fighter or heavy) or civilian. I've been very glad to have the reserve (or guard) as a backup, especially since furloughs and mergers are very prevalent these days.

 

[michael707767]

In todays environment? I'd like to think not. There are 1,000's of super qualified, seasoned professionals that would be far superior to a 1,000 to 2,000 total time hero.

My uncle, a retired AA pilot once told me that all the hours in the world won't turn a bad pilot into a good pilot. They just make him an experienced (seasoned) bad pilot.

1000-2000 is plenty for a military pilot.

 

[414Flyer]

One of my friends who is losing his full time ANG F-16 job, seems to be under the impression that as soon as SWA starts hiring, he just needs to show up to interview with a 737 type and get handed a job.

He has very little civ aviation experience, and while I hope that he can get on there when they hire, I am just afraid it is more than just the formality that he thinks it is

 

[waveflyer]

Good for air tran... I say that with full respect- you can chuckle bc you have the military hookups- but if performance and attitude are actually important to an airline - I'd require fighter guys to get some regional 121 time as well.

That said- if you can get military experience and serve your country at the same time- why would you not. As was pointed out- ANG is a great fallback- the best of all worlds would be to join that unit and be able to have another job to build time- plenty of pilots in the regionals who fill this bill-

and if you want to talk qualified- a 121 rj or tp capt/ang fighter pilot- that will impress any pilot, much less a recruiter.

 

[xjhawk]

I wouldn't sweat it redhat. That's about the amount of time that I have, and it won't be an issue. Besides, I've heard that a lot of majors don't even check military guys log books. So just use a mulitiplier that make the numbers work out. That's what I'm going to do.

Quotes like this just makes me sick. Use your multiplier and pad your logbook and get your job by taking the position from someone who has real experience.

Maybe there should be multipliers for those of us with hard 121 time at a regional in the northern states flying in the winter with icing and down to mins all the time. Maybe there should be multipliers for those of us who served over 10 years in the military sleeping under the stars.

I know there has always been a special place in the hearts of military guys for others like them who want to get a job but come on! I guess life is not fair

 

[redhat99]

Quotes like this just makes me sick. Use your multiplier and pad your logbook and get your job by taking the position from someone who has real experience.

Maybe there should be multipliers for those of us with hard 121 time at a regional in the northern states flying in the winter with icing and down to mins all the time. Maybe there should be multipliers for those of us who served over 10 years in the military sleeping under the stars.

I know there has always been a special place in the hearts of military guys for others like them who want to get a job but come on! I guess life is not fair

I agree! What should the multiplier be for SP 135 in turbine freighters up north?

I have no intention of joining the ANG. A friend of mine seems to think that an ANG job is an automatic right seat at a major and I just wanted to get a picture of what the real deal is (or as "real" as FI can provide).

Thanks for all the replies.

 

[b707guy]

There seems to be a little misconception here regarding 'multipliers' for mil time.

It's been a while for me, and I don't recall the specifics, but I seem to remember some airlines permitted a multiplier for total time and some an additive per sortie. Personally, I always thought the additive method was most fair as fighter pilots were robbed of time using a multiplier with their high sortie count versus (usually) lower flight time as compared with trash haulers, gas passers and bombers with similar time in service.

Either way, it's not a pad as some here seem to think, but rather a way of turning military apples (takeoff to landing) into commercial oranges (block to block). Military pilots still need to de-ice, fly approaches to minimums, deal with cargo and passenger issues (whether that passenger is a living being or hung ordinance), etc, and put themselves into harm's way for the rest of us.

 

[Captzaahlie]

I wouldn't sweat it redhat. That's about the amount of time that I have, and it won't be an issue. Besides, I've heard that a lot of majors don't even check military guys log books. So just use a mulitiplier that make the numbers work out. That's what I'm going to do.

you forgot to mention your soon to be CP friend shoeing you in.........

 

[tmac3333]

Good for air tran... I say that with full respect- you can chuckle bc you have the military hookups- but if performance and attitude are actually important to an airline - I'd require fighter guys to get some regional 121 time as well.

That said- if you can get military experience and serve your country at the same time- why would you not. As was pointed out- ANG is a great fallback- the best of all worlds would be to join that unit and be able to have another job to build time- plenty of pilots in the regionals who fill this bill-

and if you want to talk qualified- a 121 rj or tp capt/ang fighter pilot- that will impress any pilot, much less a recruiter.

Seriously? Why would one airline that at the time was a national airline, just on the fringe of being a major exclude a certain group of people when every other airline didn't seem to have a problem with it. Total time, nor the fact that I flew fighters, has absolutely nothing to do with my performance and attitude. I flew fighters or trainers for 10 years before joining CAL. The person on the seniority list next to me went the civilian track, CFI, regionals for 10 years after college as well...it must be shocking to you that in training our performance (and attitude) was similar. Most of the majors get this....Air Tran is losing out on some pilots that may be interested as a result. Their loss.....