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Herman Bloom said:
Point is very simple: A majority of voters cast their votes for Al Gore in 2000.
Using your logic, my wife and I must have voted for Gore, too, since more than half of any sample of people voted for Gore.

Also, using your logic, the majority of the persons who were aboard United Airlines Flight 93 that day voted for Perot, because they landed in Shanksville Pennsylvania, and that area voted for Perot. (Don't go looking that up - - I just fabricated it.)

Now, let's take a closer look. If every person that died during the 911 attacks had voted in an area that voted for Gore, then your assertion might be superficially sound. Since you've made no attempt to assert such a condition, allow me to poke a few holes.

Many persons who died in the attacks were not US citizens. As such, they should not have voted for Gore OR Bush. (Notice I said SHOULD - - I can't prove that they DID not.) :)

Many persons who died in the attacks were not yet of voting age.

Many persons who ARE citizens of the US and ARE of voting age do not register to vote. It's likely that this describes some of the persons who died in the attacks.

Many persons who are registered to vote did NOT vote in the general election that decided the President of the United States. It's likely that this describes some of the persons who died in the attacks.

Many persons who died in the attacks were traveling by airplane, and possibly lived and voted in regions of the country that voted predominantly Republican.

We could probably identify each victim and pinpoint his/her eligibility to vote, his/her voting status, and the voting record of the precinct in which he/she voted in order to develop a REAL statistical probability. We might even further refine it by studying the socioeconomic status, career choice, and religious preference of each victim or by interviewing family or friends to gain better insights. I feel fairly confident, though, that when it comes down to it, you'll not develop a meaningful statistic that bears out your assertion that "a majority of those people who died that day voted for Gore in November."

It would be safer to say that a majority of those people did NOT vote for Gore. It would be equally safe to say that a majority of those people did NOT vote for Bush, either. In fact, I think it would be statistically safe to say that a majority of those people did NOT vote AT ALL!

Having said that, then, you can see how preposterous is your assertion that suggesting that the thought of Al Gore as President on the day of those dreadful attacks is scary somehow disgraces the memory of those who were lost.

Herman Bloom said:
But the fact remains: most Americans voted for Gore.
You didn't do too well on your statistic, and you have failed on your fact. The FACT is most Americans, even if you exclude those not of voting age, did NOT vote at all.
Herman Bloom said:
I mean really, who isn't sick of hearing that "thank God Gore wasn't president" mess? It's not smart.
I'm not sick of it. I saw how Clinton handled similar events. He took the moral high road, even evoked the blessings of God, reminded us of how we will prevail because God is on our side - - and then did next to nothing. I expect Gore would have done much the same. I expect we'd be living in fear and counting the loss of lives in several subsequent attacks on our homeland. We'd be weak and cowardly, and the world would sit up and take notice of the strength and power of the America-haters that enjoy refuge in places like Afghanistan, Libya, Iran, and Iraq. Oh yeah, we'd be paying $12 dollars a gallon for gas and be getting lectures from President Gore about how we must save our planet by riding our bicycles to save oil and using our toilet paper twice to save trees. He'd make us feel guilty for our success and wealth, and blame US for the attacks we suffered. Oh yeah, I'm sick of hearing that alright.

You can have your brand of smart, thank you.
 
Herman Bloom said:
I'll concede that...I was just trying to draw the connection in order to make a point.
I appreciate your honesty.





Some people examine the facts before taking a position.

Other people take a position first, and then find themselves twisting facts to support it.

I find the former course of action to be more intellectually honest - - and simpler.
 
TonyC said:
Using your logic, my wife and I must have voted for Gore, too, since more than half of any sample of people voted for Gore.
A poor example, since two people--particularly a married couple--are not statistically significant in a population of 292,985,739. (See www.census.gov.)

(Just for grins, Tony, you and your wife are one 6.8262708172290938706747088464944e-9th of the U.S. population. :D )
I saw how Clinton handled similar events. He took the moral high road, even evoked the blessings of God, reminded us of how we will prevail because God is on our side - - and then did next to nothing. I expect Gore would have done much the same.
I believe that idea has very little merit. No U.S. president--Republican, Democrat, or independent--would have stayed in office long if he hadn't taken decisive military action shortly after September 11th. Enduring Freedom would probably have preogressed similarly regardless of who was in the White House. The difference is that if we had a president who wasn't an oil tycoon, we might have bin Laden in custody now instead of Saddam.
 
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Herman Bloom
I appreciate your feedback after all it is a free country. I was refering to post 9-11 reaction from our president, and how he handled it. I liked the the way our President with only 7 months in office reacted to an unthinkable act. Americans were mad and you can tell he was too. The polls showed the majority of America liked the way he handled it as well. But please don't insinuate(sorry about the spelling) that I discraced thier memories. To say that is completely iresponsible and disrespectful. I was just saying that I was just glad that GWB was the comander in chief after that horrible day and Not Gore. 3000 people died that day REGARDLESS who they voted for or their political affiliation. It was the saddest day in American history. Agree or disagree but don't assert things that are very sensitive to me as am AMERICAN!!!!!!Thank You
 
I was thinking about changing that for a while. You are right they can care less. I think I will change that tonight. Thanks
 
Pilot124 said:
I think I will change that tonight.
The funny thing is that when I first glanced at it, I thought it said "chicks pig pilots," and I thought, what the fcuk does that mean? :eek:

(A suggestion: go to www.imdb.com and find your favorite movie quotes.)
 
Typhoon1244 said:
I believe that idea has very little merit. No U.S. president--Republican, Democrat, or independent--would have stayed in office long if he hadn't taken decisive military action shortly after September 11th. Enduring Freedom would probably have preogressed similarly regardless of who was in the White House. The difference is that if we had a president who wasn't an oil tycoon, we might have bin Laden in custody now instead of Saddam.
Yea, oil tycoon. Riiiiight.

You can believe Gore would have acted in such a way if you like. We can all look at the track record of Clinton and draw logical conclusions, too. How many times did he say (paraphrase here) "We'll get 'em" and how many times did he get 'em? Sure, we might have fired a few cruise missiles from choice safe locations, but do you really think he had the stomach to risk American's lives? Do you really think there would have BEEN an Enduring Freedom? I don't. There's no absolute way for us to determine what would have been, but we are entitled to our opinions.

I'd like to hear from some of our troops in Afghanistan right now and see if THEY feel like they've given up on the quest to find Bin Laden. More importantly, I'd like to know if you feel like capturing Bin Laden would spell the end of the war against terror. Do you think all our troops could just pack up and come home the minute he's found?
 
TonyC said:
Your link is kinda broken...
I noticed. It's fixed.
...I'd like to know if you feel like capturing Bin Laden would spell the end of the war against terror.
No, of course not...but I would feel that the 9/11 victims would be somewhat more appropriately avenged.

I also believe it would be a huge psychological victory against al Qaeda.
Do you think all our troops could just pack up and come home the minute he's found?
[sigh] No, Tony, of course not. Having bin Laden in custody is going to make the world a very dangerous place for Americans for a while. We're going to need troops everywhere.

If history is any gauge, regardless of who's in the White House, the conflict between us and the terrorists who oppose us will not end until all of either group is eliminated...unless human nature drastically changes.

And I don't see that happening any time soon.

(Note to those of you who would stick the "liberal" label on me: I believe in profiling, I believe in the extermination of organized terrorism, and I believe in a very large, modern U.S. military. Still sound like a liberal?)
 

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