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Herman Bloom said:
Timebuilder, you're at it again.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but as usual you destroy all that credibility you build with real arguments (which, by the way, you really do) by finishing it all off with some rediculously partisan statement about how "a liberal" will always do this or that. Blind partisanism is ALWAYS a deterent to real progress. It's just plain unamerican.
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And you also are entitled to your opinion. That IS American.

When I speak about what is part of the liberal tactic (some say "bag of tricks") since the 1960's, I refer to intimate, personal knowlege that I have to share. It isn't simply the observation of a partisan, as you are suggesting.

Rather than the oberservation of liberal tactics being a partisan act, it is an attempt to identify and clarify the dynamic of the discussion, how it is often muddied and obfuscated, by using my own experiences as a guide.

I often saw personal attacks being launched by liberals when I WAS one, as it was the easiest way to shift the argument from the issues to visceral reactions surrounding personalities and insults. Words like "your boy bush" rather than "our current president" are good examples of this attitude. It is juvenile AND liberal, with only a few exceptions in the media today, like Alan Colmes and Maura Liasson, who are mature enough and far enough from party politics to have a sensible, if frustrating, discussion of the issues. Even with Alan, you can tell he often doesn't fully believe what he is saying. That, in itself, says a great deal.
 
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but as usual you destroy all that credibility you build with real arguments (which, by the way, you really do) by finishing it all off with some rediculously partisan statement about how "a liberal" will always do this or that. Blind partisanism is ALWAYS a deterent to real progress. It's just plain unamerican.
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Satan, et al

He has no credibility nor any solid arguments when it comes to politics, I would not even waste your time on his posts. He basically brings his comical and pointless opinions that he have gotten from his own beliefs and desires of his "little world". Let the facts speak for themselves, this even makes him look more like a "clown". Liberal this, Clinton that, blah, blah, blah, it is all the same but when he has nothing else but garbage to spew onto this board that is all that is left for him. Just laugh as many do and move on.


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Hello...not only did they affect a change using weapons of mass effect in spain, they were caught trying to get busy with a dirty bomb in England during the last few days.

Also today, the Germans released an alleged 9/11 mastermind peding trial for some other act of terrorism...seems like they didn't want their trains bombed by terrorists this summer either.
 
He has no credibility nor any solid arguments when it comes to politics, I would not even waste your time on his posts. He basically brings his comical and pointless opinions that he have gotten from his own beliefs and desires of his "little world". Let the facts speak for themselves, this even makes him look more like a "clown". Liberal this, Clinton that, blah, blah, blah, it is all the same but when he has nothing else but garbage to spew onto this board that is all that is left for him. Just laugh as many do and move on.
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I'm impressed.

You have succeeded in validating everthing I said in a single paragraph, far more economically than I could have done.

Sometimes, I don't even imgine such a succinct example.
 
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Timebuilder said:
Sometimes, I don't even imgine such as succinct example blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah
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did you get a Webster at the last church raffle?

get a job, man
 
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but as usual you destroy all that credibility you build with real arguments (which, by the way, you really do) by finishing it all off with some rediculously partisan statement about how "a liberal" will always do this or that. Blind partisanism is ALWAYS a deterent to real progress. It's just plain unamerican.
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But liberals are fair game, their answer to non-existant crime with rifles was to ban lawful citizens from owning rifles that possess a detatchable magazine and more than one additional evil feature, such as a bayonet lug, pistol grip, flash hider, threaded barrel, collapsable or retractible stocks, barrel shrouds, or permanent bipod mounts. Then when you own a rife that complies with this regulation, the liberals accuse you of "circumventing" their own ludicrust law. This law not only did not affect crime, but does nothing but restrict the lawful citizen in his second amendment rights.

Democrats and liberals in our state wanted to give cell phones and cell phone service to homeless people so they could be called for job interviews and so they could get voicemails from the government as to when their direct deposit government funding was in their checking accounts.

Our democrat governor wanted to make the possession of a metalic cartridge primer a felony, unless it was possessed in conjunction with a single shot rifle or shot gun.

Kerry has no damm business in the White House and liberals can all get in a boat and suck d1ck all the way to some other continent as far as I am concerned with their gay marriage initiatives and all the rest of their crap on a stick agendas.
 
Kerry has no damm business in the White House and liberals can all get in a boat and suck d1ck all the way to some other continent as far as I am concerned with their gay marriage initiatives and all the rest of their crap on a stick agendas.
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You are a genius. Anybody who believe this - that EITHER side is just evil and that the other is virtuous - is just simply an idiot....not thinking at all.

You have so much to offer the world.

Or you are just taking up my oxygen/
 
Satan said:
Originally posted by Timebuilder
Sometimes, I don't even imgine such as succinct example blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah


did you get a Webster at the last church raffle?



get a job, man
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There is a very important point to be made in your post, evil one.

All the "blah, blah, blah" that is added to the beginning of the quote also supports what I said the other day. In order for you to try to make your point, you resort to changing or adding to the discussion in a way that tries to turn away, add an insult, and change the subject at hand.

When did I get a "webster?" When I was in third grade.

I was hoping you'd bring something to this discussion. I'm disappointed.
 
Satan/350 driver-

I DEFY you to rebut that first post point-by-point without using a single bit of name-calling.

All you ever do is spout opinion, and attack people personally.

Even if you were right, which you may be assured you are NOT, you are eminently unprepared to convince others.

Facts are for grown-ups. Cute sayings are for kids and liberals.

Thank you for once again, proving my point.

And satan, read the last book of the bible to find out what happens to your namesake.

THUMP!
 
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100LL... Again! said:

And satan, read the last book of the bible to find out what happens to your namesake.

THUMP!
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my namesake is a lot more believable than the garbage you grew up on
 
George Will had an interesting article in today's Op-ed section. I'd post a link, but they all require online registration it seems. The last para reads:

Since 9/11, Americans have been told that they are at war. The have not been told what sacrifices, material and emotional, they must make to sustain multiple regime changes and nation building projects. Telling such truths is part of the job description of a war president.
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The basic message is, Iraq WILL get more bloody and expensive than any Politician or partisan wants to admit. Unfortunately, we're stuck now. We either see this out, or we encourage terrorists. But if we stay in, we can forget fairy tales about throngs of grateful Iraqis happily becoming peaceful, democratic capitalists. Even if the majority ARE peaceful, the minority are sufficiently motivated and numerous enough to cause major problems for years. So, are the American People, and the Politicians ready to face the truth?

I try to be an independant and non-partisan. I almost never respond to any of the Political Posts. I read both George Will and Molly Ivins, because I'm not interested in reading ONLY what I *want* to hear, and ignoring the other side of an arguement. I support our actions in Afghanistan, and opposed a war with Iraq.


Question for anyone:

Does anybody know of a successful SINGLE party Democracy????

(And, wouldn't it really be called something else?)
 
Satan said:
my namesake is a lot more believable than the garbage you grew up on
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Only to those who refuse to see.

Not the blind, mind you, but the ones who refuse to see.
 
They have not been told what sacrifices, material and emotional, they must make to sustain multiple regime changes and nation building projects. Telling such truths is part of the job description of a war president
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George Will often fails to see an idea through to the end. In this case, that a wartime president has to first be able to make such estimations in order to communicate them. So far, no one has been able to even make a rough estimate of what is arguably an unparalleled war against an unparalleled evil. How in the world could any accurate estimate be given?

On the other hand, it is easy to estimate the effect of a failure to deal with this problem.
 
Once a again, satan resorts to insults.

Try facts next time - they go a lot farther in convincing others.

I'm sorry that the adolescent "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" style of discourse so easily sways you. It must, or you would not attempt to use it on others.

Still waiting for you to refute the original post. With facts.
 
Why does every political point that is brought up turn into christian-bashing from the likes of satan/350 driver?

You automatically change the topic from a political one to Christian-bashing.

You don't at all seem like you are trying to convince me that God does not exist. You are trying to convince yourselves.

Everyone at their core knows their is a God. Otherwise, you would not react with such vitriol to other people's faith.

Point is, I am now thoroughly convinced that you, at your core, believe that God exists. This enrages you, so you take it out on those who represent Him here.

Paraphrased quote from Jesus:

"They hate you, but they hated me first".

I don't hate Isalm or Allah, because I know that they are false.

I do not fell threatened by their judgements against me.

If a Muslim calls me a sinner and says that I am doomed to go to hell, it does not bither me in the SLIGHTEST.

Why are you not above this yourself?

If I say you are a sinner and need Jesus, you react with the worst possible response.

Why does this anger you so much? I only want it for your own good. If I really hated you, I would withhold the truth, wouldn't I?

Sometimes people are wrong, but they never want to admit it.

Pride.
 
100LL... Again!,

You are a first class idiot hands down, what a bonehead. Where and when did I bash any Christian on this board? Right, that is what I thought.. You and TB make me sick, you bring nothing but garbage onto these threads and opinions and "awww" you are sad cause the clown you voted for is taking much heat from both sides..


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Apologies for lumping you with satan, but I seem to recall you bashingthe christian point of view at least once. I'll search the threads and see if I can find it.

My post does seem more civil than yours, though, don't it?

Second of all, I would prefer that you call me evil or misinformed, but a bonehead I am not.

Judging from use of vocabulary alone, I am far from impressed with your attempt at discourse.

If you are going to bash me, please attempt to do so with invective that reaches somewhat above the 'angry-bar-argument' level.

Try refdesk.com and use the thesaurus to look up alternatives to 'bonehead' and 'garbage'. Might I suggest 'dimwit' and 'refuse' as intermediate level substitutes? I'm sure there are even more entertaining choices. Shop around a little.

Next time, impress me wehen you trash me.

Am I crying that GWB is being criticized here? Hardly. I do not need your assent to know that I am right. I'm simply here to counter the incredibly myopic (how's that for ya!) self-righteousness of the left.

Good day.
 
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Futher evidence of denial-

They continued belligerant and baseless notion that Gore won the election.

Lest it rest, children. Move on to something that matters.

Bush won the election legally, by any definition of the word 'won'. Period.

Tiresome topic.
 
I love the Dem, Republican fights that go on here!

The fact is that the terrorist boneheads don't give a crap what any of you think. They have been fighting for 2000 years and will continue to do so, why? Who the F*&k knows.

The simple fact is we are the latest to be blamed for whatever is pissing them off this month, and just like any trouble maker or bully from back in grade school they will go after anyone who appears weak or scared. Like it or not, Clinton led them to believe that was the United States. He wasn't the first or the worst, but he did.

A few history tidbits, not complete but enought to provoke thought.

1. We appeared weak to Japan in 1939 and our actions of 40 and 41 allowed them to think that we would be an easy target. (Yanamamo (sp?)knew better but did what he was ordered to do, Attack Pearl Harbor)

2. Great Britian appeared weak to Hitler. Why, because Chamberlin bent over for him on several occasions to aviod being "Pushy"

3. Korea, same type of deal. The north and China figured we would not risk a conflict. Not sure if it was worth it but, it did have the effect of making the USSR nervous about trying something.

4. Vietnam, a mess for sure, but not because of our resolve, just our methods. Again it had the effect of spooking the Russians for another decade or so.

Now #3 and #4 are interesting because there was no immediate threat to United States Children and Civilians, nevertheless we were there.

Current day, all that useless political crap aside, Mr. Muslim extreamist killed more United States Citizens on 9-11 than Japan on Dec 7th, 41, the Nazi's, Korea, and Vietnam prior to our entry into the conflicts.

Why is this important? Because Mr. Muslim Extreamist would love nothing more than to kill you and your children TODAY! Why hasn't he made a more concerted effort to repeat 9-11? Because he is scared snotless that we will return the favor 100 times over. Will this completly deter him? No. But it will make him think twice about it.

If we go passive again, more Americans WILL die. And it wont be on some far away battlefield, it will be in your homes, businesses, and Churches. Remember, they get a first class ticket to go see Allah if they can manage to kill your child! It gets their rocks off.

Stick your passive heads in the sand if you like.....it makes you an easier target. It is not a pleasant world that we live in, Our job is to make sure that our corner stays respectable.

Should we have invaded Iraq?? Hard to say. Just like it was hard to say about Nazi Germany or Japan. I do know that Uncle Saddam would have gladly gutted your american infidel butt if he could have gotten away with it. At least prior to open hostilities Hitler and Tojo would have offered you Beer and Tea and discussed the situation.

Just remember when you are bickering about political crap, and using 9-11 and such to make your case, you have a big fat target plastered on your head that all the terrorist bozos are sighting on. The next pus%y in office (Whoever, or whatever party) will allow them to strike.


Rant over....Fire Away!
 
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Timebuilder said:
Jim Carville is probably a nice guy at home with his republican wife, but when he speaks publically, he is only equalled by Clinton in his ability to disemble, obfuscate, mislead, and outright lie.
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So...I'm confused. If what you say is true, then Carville would be an ideal Republican.

Why don't you like him? :confused:

Well, never mind...doesn't matter. None of this hot air changes the fact that George W. Bush is a terrible president. What a sorry way for this country to enter the 21st Century...
 
350DRIVER said:
100LL... Again!,

You are a first class idiot hands down, what a bonehead. Where and when did I bash any Christian on this board? Right, that is what I thought.. You and TB make me sick, you bring nothing but garbage onto these threads and opinions and "awww" you are sad cause the clown you voted for is taking much heat from both sides..


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Can you say juvenile? I knew you could.
 
Typhoon1244 said:
So...I'm confused. If what you say is true, then Carville would be an ideal Republican.

Why don't you like him? :confused:

Well, never mind...doesn't matter. None of this hot air changes the fact that George W. Bush is a terrible president. What a sorry way for this country to enter the 21st Century...
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I think Jim Carville would argue that his party affiliation is evidence of where he thinks he should be.

If he bcame a republican, all of that entertaining hyperbole, personal attacks, and smarmy self satisfaction would have to go right out the window....

George Bush is a hands down choice over the French candidate, and that's the matter before us for the next 200 days or so.
 
Poland doesn't hate us, Britain doesn't hate us, all of the caolition partners do not.

This notion that Bush has made us more hated is asinine.

Since we cannot make muslim extremists NOT hate us, might as well destroy them.

Just like you turds, I don't care if you hate me. It just reaffirms how right I am.

Give an example where pacifism placated a muderous enemy?

Anyone?
 
TB-

Keep posting the garbage, it is better to laugh at someone from a distance. Keep the day job and hope some agent can provide/find you with some work.:D


George Bush is a hands down choice over the French candidate, and that's the matter before us for the next 200 days or so.
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More complete bullsh!t posted by yours truly Timebuilder. . . I don't think you will convince many to vote for the clown but keep trying.

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