Seniority Resignation at Good ol' USAir

[FurloughedAgain]

I know there were quite a few furloughees who resigned their seniority with US Airways to go to Vanguard, USA3000, and a few other companies which have either furloughed or are no longer in business.

My question is, (and it might be a dumb one) did you have any luck getting put BACK on the affected pilot list once you were furloughed? Or did your resignation stand?

 

[AJWick]

Furloughed again,

dont know the answer to that one. Call our MEC and find out.
sure would be interesting to hear what they have to say.

aj

 

[FurloughedAgain]

AJ,

I dont think they've been "our" mec for quite some time.

Cant get the furlough administrator to return my calls.

 

[AJWick]

good point.

i just lost my health insurance....my 18 months ran out with alpa so I am now on my own. ouch.

trying to get something cheap to cover my kids atleast.

aj

 

[loNslo]

It was my understanding that any resignation submitted, by a furloughee, would be honored by US Airways as defininte and permanent separation of employment. US Airways developed this policy for legal reasons. Which legal reasons? I don't know!

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I had heard the same thing, although sometimes you run across someone with different information.

The furlough administrator has pretty much abandoned those of us who have resigned (as far as information sharing), returning phonecalls, emails etc.) so I can only assume that you're correct.

 

[Treme]

Could someone please PM me with the name and telephone number for the current furlough administrator?

Thanks in advance.

-Treme'

 

[KC-10 Driver]

Shortly before the furloughs started, Greg Gibson (then VP of Flight Ops) sent out a memo to all employees stating that any resignations tendered while on furlough would be honored and kept in the employees records.

This was a change to the way US Airways had handled resignations during the furloughs of the 1990's (back then, they would supposedly just ignore and discard the resignation letter).

The rationale for this change of policy was that the lawyers advised the company that discarding resignations could be considered a violation of federal law, specifically the Pilot Records Improvement Act. The PRIA requires airlines to keep ALL records pertaining to all pilot employees.

 

[Mercy98]

I was told by the chief pilot personally in PIT that if we send in a resignation letter, it would not be acted upon. It would be filed for the employee; when recalls came about (don't hold your breath), those pilots would be called as their seniority dictated.

On a somewhat similar note, I asked the chief pilot about the furlough pay, in that if someone did send in a letter of resignation, would they still receive their contracted furlough pay. He assured me they would, as "it was theirs, and it was earned." Well, that's not the case. A classmate took a job that required resignation and the payroll dept. told him that he would lose the furlough pay. He ended up talking his present employer into taking a post dated letter that ended after his furlough pay ran out.

The moral: don't believe what they are always telling you, because one hand is not always talking to the other. It would be best to believe the worst case scenario.

 

[typhoonpilot]

Mercy98:

The statement by the PIT chief pilot is false. Resignations sent into the VP of Operations are acted on by the Human Resources department. While the PIT chief pilot may have wished that what he said was true, it is not. The company legal people became involved and all resignations are processed. They felt that should one of these employers call and follow up on a resignation that they couldn't lie about them without being held accountable.

Typhoonpilot

 

[Andy]

FurloughedAgain, this is probably not a subject that you want to discuss on a public board. ... I know the answer that you're looking for, but if U management publically states that they'll ignore resignation letters, what do you figure the odds are that companies which require seniority resignation will hire furloughed U pilots?

I'd recommend that you let this issue lie dormant until U is close to recalling pilots. No matter what the policy is today, it can be different once recalls start. Hopefully you've got a decent enough MEC which will fight to have those letters of resignation ignored.

Best of luck; I feel your pain.

Frats,
Andy

 

[TurboS7]

Any place that requires you to resign seniority is more that likely a place that is worthy of you as a pilot.

 

[typhoonpilot]

Any place that requires you to resign seniority is more that likely a place that is worthy of you as a pilot.

Huh ?

 

[TurboS7]

This one went to na, na land. It is suppose the read that any place that requires you to resign senority is not worthy of you as a pilot---geeeezzzz.

 

[AlbieF15]

Fedex avoided F-worded guys (with the exception of USAir) during their last round of hiring. I have heard (anecdotally...) that part of the reason was a lot of guys got F-d by AA and DAL, then went back when recalled a few years later. That raised the ire of mgt who said "never again".

Wanna know the happiest guys in the AOC at 2 am? Its those 91-92 furloughees that are now 727 Captains or MD11 Capts out of Anchorage. One of my favorite Capts to fly with was a former Navy Delta F-lo-ee who decided his job was to "stay working" and take care of his family so he passed on the recall. Another former OV10 bro is there with a similar story. I doubt, however, we will see similar stories in the next few years.

I'm not sure I could have faulted a guy with 2 years at FDX leaving to go back to AA in 94/95, but the fallout is it basically killed any chance of other guys getting the chance when AA furloughed AGAIN. Tough issue any way you look at it... FDX did hire some US Air folks, but they were looking like dead men walking as a company at the time and quite frankly I haven't heard a single U employee ever mention going back for any reasons.

FYI...JetBlue doesn't want your resignation. They seem to think you'll like the blue cool aid. Don't know know SWA's position, but I don't think we (FDX) hired a single AA, DAL, or UAL furloughee in my 2 years on the property.

 

[marqmarq]

JetBlue

I understand JetBlue doesn't require a resignation letter, but they do require a 2-year non-compete clause....

 

[Draginass]

Considering the slashed compensation at American, future prospects of growth, as well as the implosion of the APA, I doubt any American pilot that got hired by FEDEX would even consider going back to AMR.

 

[BenderGonzales]

I wonder what'll happen to the furloughed "U" guys who resigned (because they had no choice) now that AWA is committing to hire the furloughees starting in 06'.

Resigned under duress. Hmmm. Bet you could find a lawyer to take that case.

 

[CaSyndrm]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. F*** USAIRWAYS.

 

[typhoonpilot]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. F*** USAIRWAYS.

..... your reason for saying this and it's point on this thread this would be?


TP