Seniority has everything to do with longevity

[CaptSeth]

Without going into the politics I'd like to add my two cents on seniority. It's not a terrible thing, actually. It's just that the problem happened way in the beginning, when the knuckleheads that started ALPA decided not to act like a real union and create a systemwide seniority list. Those morons created the situation we are in now, with the have's and have nots. Anyone who has worked for a failed carrier (or five) can tell you what that's like. Flushing your experience down the toilet from any one of a number of airlines is really insane. How to fix it? It won't get fixed.

There is no inertia anywhere at ALPA or elsewhere to look at this problem. It can be fixed, there are simple solutions and mechanisms that can be devised so as to alleviate disruptions in career expectations, but whatever. I know I personally have been swept under the carpet, just like many of my esteemed colleagues from all of the other fine carriers that were felled by incompetence, greed, and hubris.

One final thought, though. I believe that your seniority at Skywest, Cape Air, or Delta is of equivalent value. If Delta bought any one of those carriers, or there was a merger, I believe that your seniority should be weighted based on accepted standards, I don't care if it's a 402 you flew or a 744. A professional airline pilot is a professional airline pilot.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Anybody who disagrees with this hard fact has a real twisted way of spinning things for their own personal gain. Even the airline bases everything on your longevity. Only some greedy, self-serving pilots seem to disagree. Pilots are there own worst enemy. That is why so many Pliots vote republican. Somethings just do not make sense.

My condolences to all Midwest pilots that have had their jobs and seniority ripped away from them by republic pilots. Eats dog eat dog and I blame ALPA for their shortsightedness.

M

Hi doosh:
What about the 19 yr hire date f/o from AAA who only had 9 on the property?
I guess your east coast manlove is SOL!

 

[FlyinGuy]

The dems sure stole money from my grandkids.....but I guess they don't count because they are not even born yet!!!!

 

[Raoul Duke]

wait until they unveil the great health care wealth transferrance when we all have to pay to subsidize the uninsured - classic Democrat welfare

 

[get2flyin]

Simpsons did it.

(shaking head) Grog, why does he continue to post this sad flame bait?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

So people flying MD-80/DC-9/A-320/B737 and larger get double seniority anyone flying anything smaller gets half seniority...that way a former RJ guy who just got hired into an MD-80 gets put way ahead of his former colleagues at his former employer, and since we all know that someone who hasn't even finished sim training in an MD-80 is at least 4 or 5 times the pilot he was the week before, and the ex ATA guy who spent 20 years flying 73's or 75's but is now a lowly RJ captain is, as we all know, a terriable pilot by grace of the equipment he flies.

Wrong. Seniority is what your longevity "buys" you at your current airline.

 

[UALRATT]

wait until they unveil the great health care wealth transferrance when we all have to pay to subsidize the uninsured - classic Democrat welfare

Old man that boat has already left the dock when your republican friends transferred the little wealth possess by OUR MIDDLE CLASS back to the special club, and then spent the rest fighting oil wars all around the globe. What's more twisted about the world than that?

When you have to pay $3500.00 each month to pay for medical insurance for your healthy wife and 16 year old son, then you will understand but your ME, ME, ME mentality who BTW receives SUBSIDES to pay your medical insurance from your employer (funded by...?) can continue to think that you are part of the club.

If "WE" (yes, you and ME) can spend trillions to protect the people (Iraqis) from diseases like Saddam then you can definitely spend a serious dollar amount to help American protect themselves from diseases like corporate profits on sickness. It was a great Republican who once socialistically remarked "government of the people, by the people, for the people..." I think the common theme here is PEOPLE, not corporations.

It's folks like you are that make the world so twisted. Don't blame it on others.

Now back to the thread...

 

[bigtexpilot]

Republicans are ignorant hypocrites. No way dems view of the world is more twisted than republicans.

You should've read all that stuff attached to the Healthcare Reform Bill before you made that statement.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

You gotta love all the angry/bitter Liberal comments on here. Public education at its finest.

 

[get2flyin]

You gotta love all the angry/bitter Liberal comments on here. Public education at its finest.

I'm not sure what you mean. I went to public school so I am _________.

Please fill in the blank.

 

[St. Nic]

Yea, what he said! Let's up the ante even more and say Mesa merged with Southwest. As for Republic though, those guys deserve jack squat. That was always a bottom troll airline, and should be placed underneath just about any other pilot group out there in a merger. I do have condolences towards the US Airways group though, because again mentioning Mesa, I thinks a large quantity of the "dude, I'm just here to get my time, and get on with the majors" went to Mesa and then on to America West. You can blame ALPA, but I think the biggest blame goes first to the what best for me, me, me crowd which unfortunately is spread far and wide among the professional pilot crowd, ALPA or not.

You got that right Embraer driver! The AWA guys were just a small notch above Mesa! You are very inciteful indeed and smart indeed!
Geez, does it surprise anyone why America West pilots want their lottery ticket so bad? Wait until they all go to Republic, then they can get their slotting they so badly feel they deserve! HA HA

 

[Bringupthebird]

Inciteful? Yeah, that's about right.

 

[xanderman]

Inciteful? Yeah, that's about right.

LOL! Apparently US Air didn't require much from the intelligence dept.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Inciteful? Yeah, that's about right.

Whoops.

 

[HAL]

Anybody who disagrees with this hard fact has a real twisted way of spinning things for their own personal gain. Even the airline bases everything on your longevity.

So everything is based on longevity?

Pilot: "Sir, I'm ready to upgrade"

Chief Pilot: "Yes, I believe you are. However we can not upgrade you because you don't have the required five years of longevity in order to make Captain"

Pilot: "But sir, our airline has only been in existence for three years, and we have yet to fly a single revenue flight since all of us pilots are still F/O's. We don't have any Captains."

Chief Pilot: "I understand. You and the rest of the pilot group only have to wait two more years, then you can all become Captains."

Pilot: "But then who will be our F/O's?"

Chief Pilot: "Oops."

MCDU - longevity is used for what you get within you own airline, relative to the other pilots at that airline. If you are a junior Captain and your airline merges with another, you still remain a junior Captain, no matter how long you or your seniority-list-neighbor from the other airline have been at your jobs. The word there is seniority list, not longevity list. THAT is what longevity is about - and that is not a 'spin for personal gain'.

HAL