Senior Pilots Coalition Lobbies Against "60" Rule

[zonker]

Senior Pilots Coalition Lobbies Against "60" Rule
Published on: August 2, 2007
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The Senior Pilots Coalition says that Federal Aviation Administration Administrator Marion Blakey could help to ease the current U.S. airline pilot shortage and minimize inconvenient and even dangerous airline delays by expediting the FAA's elimination of the discriminatory "Age 60 Rule," and putting hundreds of America's most experienced and best pilots back into the cockpit where they belong. With its membership ranks now topping 250, the SPC's motto is: "Leave No Pilot Behind." The Senior Pilots Coalition is seeking in D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit to force the FAA to reconsider the agency's decision not to grant waivers to a group of pilots who were arbitrarily forced to stop flying at the age of 60. The FAA claims to be working toward the desired rule change, but has yet to begin the rule-change procedure or even just announce the date for the beginning of that process. For more information, visit www.SeniorPilotsCoalition.org.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Leave no Pilot behind?

Sounds like my Jumpseat Motto!

 

[m80drvr]

Funny, the current "pilot shortage" is due to VERY low regional pay. Educated people can make three times the cash in other fields. There are no shortages of applications at DAL, UAL and the freight haulers. My take is that when 60 changes, the whole industry stagnates, yes the "pilot shortage" will be solved and the regionals can continue to pay slave wages cause their pilots will be stuck there.

But alas, its not about the young regional guy its about ME....ME....ME the senior captain at a major.

 

[SNOWBUM]

senior pilot coalition aka greedy tools who have 3 ex-wifes and could never save enough because they were idiots but benefited from the age 60 rule during their whole greed induced career.

 

[Aluminum Weiner]

Your not a senior til your 65? So, if your an idiot pilot and your 60, your considered a senior & you can get discounts at grocery stores & deals on cars and hookers... What do you do?? Bring your pilots license in and explain it to them.

 

[tie1on]

it is always about the me me me crowd that is in it for them. too bad the senior people like to screw the young. so long you old farts. it is past your time, now get out

flame way. I can only hope for some type of intelligent banter

 

[JakeSnake]

Senior Pilots Coalition Lobbies Against "60" Rule
Published on: August 2, 2007

The Senior Pilots Coalition says that Federal Aviation Administration Administrator Marion Blakey could help to ease the current U.S. airline pilot shortage and minimize inconvenient and even dangerous airline delays by expediting the FAA's elimination of the discriminatory "Age 60 Rule," and putting hundreds of America's most experienced and best pilots back into the cockpit where they belong.

How in the world do these people connect age 65 and DELAYS!? Nice try to piggyback age 65 with the current public hot topic of delays...I just don't get that.

How about pilot shortage. This just seems to me to be a strategy of if you say something over and over again, people start to assume it is true? There is no shortage of pilots. There has been no shortage of pilots for years and years. The only companies that experience a shortage of pilots are operators that offer substandard employment conditions. I am glad that in our current environment, pilots are staying away from lowball companies. If they improve their conditions, they will see an increase in applicants.

 

[tie1on]

thank you

 

[jetjockey#1]

Senior Pilots Coalition Lobbies Against "60" Rule
Published on: August 2, 2007
http://javascript<b></b>:printPage();
The Senior Pilots Coalition says that Federal Aviation Administration Administrator Marion Blakey could help to ease the current U.S. airline pilot shortage and minimize inconvenient and even dangerous airline delays by expediting the FAA's elimination of the discriminatory "Age 60 Rule," and putting hundreds of America's most experienced and best pilots back into the cockpit where they belong. With its membership ranks now topping 250, the SPC's motto is: "Leave No Pilot Behind." The Senior Pilots Coalition is seeking in D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit to force the FAA to reconsider the agency's decision not to grant waivers to a group of pilots who were arbitrarily forced to stop flying at the age of 60. The FAA claims to be working toward the desired rule change, but has yet to begin the rule-change procedure or even just announce the date for the beginning of that process. For more information, visit www.SeniorPilotsCoalition.org.

No Pilot left behind? that's funny. What about the 2000+ pilots at American waiting to get back into the cockpit?? that's right, guys in their 40s trying to feed their families. Oh yeah, that's right they don't count..... your slogan should be more, Who cares about any pilot left behind but me!!
I hope I don't ever fly with any of those selfish pricks.

 

[The Victors]

I am absolutely against changing the age 60 rule, but that being said, the selfish flows both ways. It's all about the money. Nothing else. Just the money.

 

[CaptBud330]

60 is enough

I always though when I turned 60, I would have to be pried out of the cockpit kicking and screaming. After a few years of retirement (even though the bucks are a lot less then I planned on), I can't imagine flying past 60.
Flying 2 back-to-back London trips getting in at 4am Eastern, I was ready for major R&R. By the time I recovered, it was time to hit it again.
Why on God's Earth would anyone want to push themselves for 5 more years? If you love to fly that much, get a job with Net Jets.

 

[nimtz]

I always though when I turned 60, I would have to be pried out of the cockpit kicking and screaming. After a few years of retirement (even though the bucks are a lot less then I planned on), I can't imagine flying past 60.
Flying 2 back-to-back London trips getting in at 4am Eastern, I was ready for major R&R. By the time I recovered, it was time to hit it again.
Why on God's Earth would anyone want to push themselves for 5 more years? If you love to fly that much, get a job with Net Jets.

Kudos to you sir. Too bad these idiots can't get your rational thought process through their heads. Quite frankly given the current shape of many +60 candidates, it terrifies me that they will be the boss on ultra-long hauls over the pole.

 

[zonker]

I always though when I turned 60, I would have to be pried out of the cockpit kicking and screaming. After a few years of retirement (even though the bucks are a lot less then I planned on), I can't imagine flying past 60.
Flying 2 back-to-back London trips getting in at 4am Eastern, I was ready for major R&R. By the time I recovered, it was time to hit it again.
Why on God's Earth would anyone want to push themselves for 5 more years? If you love to fly that much, get a job with Net Jets.

Seriously. I started flying European trips after doing mostly domestic last year. Talk about tired and run down after every trip and I'm under 40!

No way I'll do this past 60. 58 is my goal. 55 would be even better! These idiots who want to do this crap past 60 are crazy...and pathetic.

 

[The Victors]

I can understand guys/gals that have had sh!tty careers (like Us air guys) or guys who had a medical problem needing a few more years, but these swa 30 year multimillionars? That's crazy. Go get a hobbie please!

 

[Full of LUV]

How is age 65 not discrimination???

I can understand guys/gals that have had sh!tty careers (like Us air guys) or guys who had a medical problem needing a few more years, but these swa 30 year multimillionars? That's crazy. Go get a hobbie please!

How is age 65 not discrimination, or is this just the beginning of fly until you die scenario, because no one is willing to walk away from the cockpit without a medical downing condition? I'm sure there are some 70 year olds willing and able to do the job. If it's just about the money and benefits, then make them SIC's and keep that valuable experience in the cockpit. Oh that's right, it's about the money and power.

 

[BoilerUP]

"Leave No Pilot Behind"...unless you're a couple decades from retirement...

 

[Yuppyguppy]

old men RETIRE IT'S OVER!!!!

 

[Huck]

It's all about the money. Nothing else. Just the money.

Damn right. They got theirs. Now we want ours.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Can somebody please explain to me why this isn't just called "Scabbing"?

If some lawyer and judge on the take say it's ok, doesn't make it correct.

 

[Papps]

just another bandaid

 

[chris69]

Everyone has their own circumstances to consider. From my perpective, it becomes harder to sypathize with those forced to retire upon reaching age 60 when the more vocal among them berate those that don't agree with them in the union fish-rap. When I started at SWA in early 03, the union web-page had a "compare your balance" feature which graphically displayed general balances based upon longevity. As the age 60 push increased, that feature disapeared. Although it may have been a legal decision vice a political one, the legal argument seems too convenient. Before it went offline, I copied down a few numbers comparing 401k and profit sharing balances. This was before the rise in the market since then, and in general, the results were as follows - 25 yrs: $2 million, 27 yrs: $2.7 million, 30 yrs: $3.3 million. Around that time I flew with a senior 4000 number Capt out of PHX (great guy by the way) that was very forthright when discussing his balance. To paraphrase "It took me 18 years to earn my first million, another 4 to earn my second, and 18 more months to earn my third." Probably a savy investor, but not uncommon based on his seniority. Again, to each his own, just throwing this out to enlighted those 1,800 guys that have joined the company behind me on what they missed.
C

 

[zonker]

Everyone has their own circumstances to consider. From my perpective, it becomes harder to sypathize with those forced to retire upon reaching age 60 when the more vocal among them berate those that don't agree with them in the union fish-rap.

The APAAD (backed by Paul Emens and other SWA pilots) are the vocal minority who have had a huge say in this matter.

It's really quite pathetic.

These guys have had nothing but success for their entire careers and now they crap on the less fortunate for their own greed. Hell, how can anyone retire on 4 million?

 

[Occam's Razor]

1. Ain't gonna happen this year. The Aviation Appropriations bill is too mucked-up to pass, with various corporate entities ($$$$) wrasslin' over who-should-get-screwed (I blame ALPA Merger Policy for creating this disunity), and a few key earmarks tying things up.

2. FAA ain't gonna issue an NPRM until Congress gives them cover. (See #1 above)

 

[crashpad]

I'm getting close to retirement and have no intention of leaving my seat in your hands.
It's not about money....it's about a Whole Bunch Of Money! I'm not going to just step aside and give it to you! You guys sound like the twelve million new citizens who forgot their passports. You can have my seat when I'm done with it, and not a second sooner. I know some of you don't like it, but the 'me generation' is junior to me and they'll have to continue to sit on their hands for now. Happy flying....and don't forget the walk-around.

 

[Max Powers]

Let me guess you sit sideways in an airtran simulator yelling at the poor new hires. Maybe you can tell us on one of your past flights how you saved everyones life including your dumb FOs because of some brave and smart decision you made....

 

[Andy]

Let me guess you sit sideways in an airtran simulator yelling at the poor new hires. Maybe you can tell us on one of your past flights how you saved everyones life including your dumb FOs because of some brave and smart decision you made....

F9. I used to have respect for all of their pilots. It's now all but one.

 

[Andy]

1. Ain't gonna happen this year. The Aviation Appropriations bill is too mucked-up to pass, with various corporate entities ($$$$) wrasslin' over who-should-get-screwed (I blame ALPA Merger Policy for creating this disunity), and a few key earmarks tying things up.

2. FAA ain't gonna issue an NPRM until Congress gives them cover. (See #1 above)

SHACK!

Where do I send a check to this Senior Pilots' Coalition? I want to help support their efforts to further muck this up and delay any age change. This group is going to end up being more of a hindrance in changing the age than if each and every regional pilot showed up on Capital hill to tell their representative that they oppose a change to the age 60 rule.
Thanks Senior Pilots' Coalition, I fully support you. (A bunch of Don Qixotes in pilot uniforms)

I went to their website and tried to make a contribution (for 2 cents), but the minimum donation is $50!

 

[gmsguy]

1. Ain't gonna happen this year. The Aviation Appropriations bill is too mucked-up to pass, with various corporate entities ($$$$) wrasslin' over who-should-get-screwed (I blame ALPA Merger Policy for creating this disunity)

Hee hee...Classic!!

 

[olympus593]

Yeah thanks a lot but some of us don't work until 65.

 

[skywdriver]

I'm getting close to retirement and have no intention of leaving my seat in your hands.
It's not about money....it's about a Whole Bunch Of Money! I'm not going to just step aside and give it to you! You guys sound like the twelve million new citizens who forgot their passports. You can have my seat when I'm done with it, and not a second sooner. I know some of you don't like it, but the 'me generation' is junior to me and they'll have to continue to sit on their hands for now. Happy flying....and don't forget the walk-around.

a bit hypocritical don't you think???