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Senate bill would mandate more research for pilot fatigue

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1. Not necessarily....you may just end up working more days to get the same amount of block time.

2. Is now really the time to increase costs on our business....That will make it even harder to negotiate pay increases.....


Would you make any changes to the rest regs?

I suspect that the airlines that have trip and duty rigs will wind up having the same amount of duty days. Block hours will go down, and there will be pressure to lower the monthly guarantees.

Clearly, though, something needs to be done. What is in place now is a joke.
 
So joe what do you want longer duty days? is that the answer? Tool

I want to work as few days as possible.....If I'm fatigued....I will call in fatigued and take the pay hit.....What we are going to get will probably require more days at work...then you will all bitch about having fewer days at home....
 
Would you make any changes to the rest regs?

NO...what changes would you make?

CFI2766 said:
I suspect that the airlines that have trip and duty rigs will wind up having the same amount of duty days. Block hours will go down, and there will be pressure to lower the monthly guarantees.

Clearly, though, something needs to be done. What is in place now is a joke.

Here at ASA, even with duty rigs, you may end up with more days at work....are you willing to do that? It will either end up with more days at work, or eventually lower guarantees as you say...either way, not a good deal for many of us....

What do you propose?
 
What I propose is that we look at the results of the study. I'd like to see some real data on how cognitive ability is affected at certain points (12 hours, 14 hours etc...). We already know that if you are awake for long periods of time it's the equivalent of being drunk. It's time something is done about one of the biggest hazards in aviation. And yes, I've flown corporate, 135 on demand, and 121 so I know about a long duty day.
 
At ASA our contract does a fairly good job of protecting our rest.

The oh-crap 16 hour day resulting from weather or maintenance can still happen, and that does suck, but I feel there is no need for adjusting that number.

And I would say this; any pilot who works at an airline where they can't raise a legitimate fatigue flag should consider working toward getting a union or improving the union they have.
 
The best thing about the upcoming flight time/duty time regs is that it will level the playing field for everybody.

Yes, the upper tier of regionals like ASA, XJT, CMR, ARW, etc. have good contracts that protect their rest and make fatigue less of an issue. But, we are competing with the airlines who have the FARs as their rest rules, and it puts us at a disadvantage.

So, if the rest rules were across the board even, and they were made to the point where you didn't have to bargain in your contract for safety issues like rest, think of how better off the airlines would be as a whole?
 
here is a typical 3 day for a gia pilot. I think , not only total flight time, but also legs flown has an effect on performance and fatique. This trip here has 20 legs in three days. The numbers to far right are times between flights. Not only are you flying 20 legs in threee days but there is not one period of time set for lunch, rest, get water anything. I konw that every regional has these kinds of days and maybe if we made a fed ride on one of these three day trips they would get a sense of just how fatigued we can get. something has to change its just sad the gov will take 2 plus years to do it


TH 9162 FLL-FPO 0805 0850 45 25
TH 9258 FPO-FLL 0915 1000 45 30
TH 9186 FLL-NAS 1030 1135 105 25
TH 9240 NAS-FLL 1200 1305 105 30
TH 9177 FLL-NAS 1335 1440 105 25
TH 9141 NAS-FLL 1505 1610 105 50
TH 9239 FLL-MHH 1700 1800 100


FR 9246 MHH-FLL 0900 1010 110 40
FR 9175 FLL-EYW 1050 1143 53 25
FR 9257 EYW-FLL 1208 1300 52 30
FR 9215 FLL-GHB 1330 1435 105 25
FR 9217 GHB-FLL 1500 1610 110 40
FR 9221 FLL-ELH 1650 1800 110

SA 9222 ELH-FLL 0925 1035 110 55
SA 9262 FLL-FPO 1130 1215 45 30
SA 9262 FPO-FLL 1245 1330 45 30
SA 9169 FLL-FPO 1400 1445 45 25
SA 9134 FPO-FLL 1510 1555 45 40
SA 9226 FLL-FPO 1635 1720 45 25
SA 9130 FPO-FLL 1745 1830 45
 
Yeah but if you're like PCL_128 you just cant buy hours like that...wait nevermind.
 

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