Segrave/Pegasus Elite Aviation in NC?

[johnt1969]

I've read the past info and it doesn't sound good. I just got an email from them and it looks like the name has changed a little bit. Has there been any changes there?

 

[StarHustler]

They offered me a job back in the late summer. I turned it down based on what I had learned from others on this site and around the FBO's. It looks like I made a good choice too, since then, they have produced more turnover's than a bakery. Buyer beware....

 

[leenick]

Two in One

I've read the past info and it doesn't sound good. I just got an email from them and it looks like the name has changed a little bit. Has there been any changes there?

The way I see it, we have Segrave Aviation and then we have Executive Charters Inc. DBA Pegasus Elite Aviation, working out of the same building with two different operating certificates.
Segrave has it's own airplanes and Pegasus has it's own airplanes, primarily Hawker 1000's for Pegasus.
Segrave does the basic indoc classes, sets up interviews and makes the offers for the job, regardless of which company you happen to be applying with. I believe the reason this operation is set up this way, is because Segrave already had all the infrastructure in place, and the two companies made some kind of agreement (although I don't know that for a fact) to run and dispatch from within the same building using the same people, or some people working for Segrave and some working for Pegasus.
The work schedule seems to be 7 days on 6 days off not including the two travel days, since this is a home based job. Not sure on FO pay, but for starting Hawker 1000 Capt's it is $330 per day with a 16 day guarantee, and $45 a day per diem. Company also has all of the usual benefits including a 401 plan that is not bad considering you are vested after 3 years. Also, expect to sign a one year training contract, which will be prorated after 6 months service.
Hope all of this helps, I know they are looking for pilots for both companies.
Good Luck!!

 

[Capt1124]

Do you have to have a type or will they type you?

 

[johnt1969]

They offered me a job back in the late summer. I turned it down based on what I had learned from others on this site and around the FBO's. It looks like I made a good choice too, since then, they have produced more turnover's than a bakery. Buyer beware....

Just out of curiosity, what kind of hours did you have when you were offered a job there?

I've sure haven't heard anything good about them. It's a shame because I live in Raleigh and there's not much here. At least not much that I've found.

 

[leenick]

The Type

Do you have to have a type or will they type you?

They will type you, and that is what the signing of the contract is for--1 year.

Johnt1969, if you live in Raleigh this would be a great job for you, so I would consider it if I were you, since Raleigh does not offer much in the line of job opportunities--I know, I lived there for 17 years before making the break, in order to stay in aviation.

Everyone have a HNY!!

 

[StarHustler]

I had a little over 4100 hours I guess at the time that they offered me a job on the 1000. There were a couple of reasons why I did not take the job. Their reputation in the business is pretty bad -even for a Part 135 charter outfit. I thought they were cheap in their per diem (45 per day verses my current 60) and they only paid you 1/2 of your salary during your training (indoc and type) -my bills don't decrease accordingly to 1/2 owed... lastly, they advertised an 8 day on and 5 day off sched but everyone I met was doing 21 days on the road and told me the company would 'forget about you' while you were gone from home for weeks. The home baseing sounds good until you realize that you will actually never see your 'home' on their real schedule. That is why I turned it down.

I am also from NC (the triad) and feel your pain. I have been working for a Charter operator out of S. FL on a Hawker and commuting home on my days off in order to finally 'fly jet' after years and years spent in NC flying props (piston and turbine). The move worked, as I made Captain in about 9 months. However, my dilemma remains, as my family still lives up in NC and that is where my heart is. South Florida has no heart.... but plenty of Jet Jobs...

Good luck to you.

 

[FlyingMoose]

I would agree with StarHustler with most of that. I was flown up to Segrave about 18 months ago about a GIII PIC position. I was original told a base salary of 98K, based at home, company provided travel back home when not flying...

Ended up being a ridiculously low daily rate (when you flew) with a 14 day "guarantee" pay schedule. When I asked what happened to the 98K BASE salary, I was told that is what they would expect you to make if the plane flies as they hope it will! The work "schedule" was explained at the interview as 10 on-10 off and you stayed with the plane where ever it sat for those ten days. Then you find out they are only staffing the plane with three pilots and any fool should know the schedule would never come close to that. I told them no thanks and got back on the Delta flight home (they did pay for that and lunch).

I will say the Chief Pilot I talked with seemed nice and out of place there. I did not get a good feeling about the DO. Ultimately, it seemed they knew their reputation, what they were selling at the interview, and what they would probably end up getting. They seemed to be used to getting a "thanks, but, no thanks" response.

That was Segrave, and by now everybody working there could be different, but who they trying to fool. Pegasus Elite, Executive Charters, Segrave, whatever.... I'll bet they even have different names listed as owners and everything! ;-)

 

[jaxpilot]

Im kind of tied to where I live now so the fact that they airline you out is appealing. Does a guy with 2500TT and 500ME (pretty much all in Baron) with no turbine or crew time stand a chance to get hired? There is nothing in the Northeast Florida area and I really dont want to go to a regional....

 

[johnsonrod]

Im kind of tied to where I live now so the fact that they airline you out is appealing. Does a guy with 2500TT and 500ME (pretty much all in Baron) with no turbine or crew time stand a chance to get hired? There is nothing in the Northeast Florida area and I really dont want to go to a regional....

Try for a Hawker 1000 FO position. Doesn't hurt to apply...

 

[surfbas]

I drove up there a couple of months ago in a suit with resume in hand. Would not even talk to me . So I left and got a job flying a 737. Not sure what they wanted.

 

[FirstMate]

Ultimately, it seemed they knew their reputation, what they were selling at the interview, and what they would probably end up getting. They seemed to be used to getting a "thanks, but, no thanks" response.

That was Segrave, and by now everybody working there could be different, but who they trying to fool. Pegasus Elite, Executive Charters, Segrave, whatever.... I'll bet they even have different names listed as owners and everything! ;-)

You are exactly right. Part of the reason they had to change names was because their main financial backer had to bail them out of financial problems. That whole operation is a sham.

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

JT,
Bad news. My company has put all the -35's up for sale. They are wanting to concentrate on larger aircraft. Keep that resume handy though!!

w

 

[flygirly14]

FirstMate is incorrect in his statement. There wasn't a need to be "bailed out". Segrave is managed airplanes, Pegasus has company owned airplanes. The financial backing and business plans are different, but both companies are under the same management.

 

[Raskal]

Hey flygirly, where'd you get your 1000 type (the company, not the school) There aren't that many of us so I'm curious-NJA or working at Seagrave?

 

[johnsonrod]

Hey flygirly14,

I just sent you a PM.

 

[Capt1124]

Is there anybody here who actually works for Segrave right now? I would like to ask some questions.

 

[johnsonrod]

Is there anybody here who actually works for Segrave right now? I would like to ask some questions.

I'm not getting responses to PMs either. Sounds eeeerily quiet... I wonder why people aren't more forthright or enthusiastic?????

 

[NDallDaWay]

Segrave/Pegasus

Looks like all the 1000's are for sale on controller, any comments?

 

[Raskal]

Looks like all the 1000's are for sale on controller, any comments?

Really!? Wow, anyone from inside care to elaborate?

 

[Corp Pilot]

It appears that they are chartering their own aircraft now. Did their contract with Sentient go away (Like Travel Managements)?

 

[Cloud Hunter]

Anyone ever heard of having to sign a training contract at recurrent? After signing an initial contract for a year.

 

[johnsonrod]

Anyone ever heard of having to sign a training contract at recurrent? After signing an initial contract for a year.

Sounds fishy. I wouldn't do it. They don't seem to value their employees - there seem to be much better operators out there. Good luck!

 

[Flywrite]

I hada friend who went there as a Hawker FO. He tried toget me to go over too, and I actually scheduled and interview. Based on all the info I found I decided against hte info, but my buddykept trying to convince me all the way through his training. Then after he was on line the e-mails got further apart. He said he was working a lot. Then suddenly he didnt respond to e-mails at all. I got the impression from the last conversation that it wasnt as rosy as he had believed.

 

[Dutch1]

The long and short of it

Yes there is a recurrent and an intitial contract there. Beechjet caps start at 300/day with a minimum of 14 days a month. Per diem at 45. They don't tell you about the recurrent contract until after indoc. Sometimes the half pay is a shock too during training. The original schedule was 9 and 5 then it went to 8 and 6. When it was 9 and 5 they would stay out longer then that often. And sometimes asked to come out before 5 days off. Currently they are running a 7 on 8 off schedule. There was talk that you could get twenty days of work per month. Because of "financial" problems there has been over hiring to get rid of some pilots who they deem to be problematic. Now all the pilots are on the minimum schedule. However still unknown when you go to work, or when you get home. So the person who asked NJ or segrave. Well nj 18 day flex is 18K higher then left seat bj captain. Do the math. Good luck

 

[Gear Up!]

My buddy just left there and said during the interview it sounded good but once your online for about a month it quickly goes downhill. I might think twice !

 

[Seadogrun]

Did they lay off a bunch of pilots recently? I spoke with someone who said that he along with a bunch of other guys got laid off.

 

[Dutch1]

They didn't get laid off they got fired. The company had recently hired a bunch of new pilots. Then the company had said that because of "slow times" they were putting everybody on the minimum days schedule. Which didn't really make sense because they just hired a bunch of people. Then they fired guys at random. There is no seniority. They were told it was because of a slow down. Sounds fishy to me.

 

[nerdpilot]

Does Charlie Sierra still work there or did he get fired from yet another job??? I here he is pushing real hard to lump himself with the other 70 RIF pilots at Flops in hopes he will get his job back with the new contract even though he was fired way before the mass firing for pissing off an owner and every pilot he was paired up with.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi.

There HAS been a slowdown in charter in the past few months, which caused problems at Sentient, and others. Bookings have been down.

cliff
YIP