Second US Launch Customer for 787

[clippyrip]

This whole thing got started when some guy jocked his paycheck. After that, everyone started poking fun at the other. Ultimately, we are all making fun of another airline and its harmless fun. Although a few came in at the 7th inning and took it personal. Oh well.

 

[CF34-3B1]

It seems like most of the threads involving SWA turn into name calling lately, no matter who started it.

I chalk it up to the general tension in the industry and possibly boredom.

But it does get a little old after a while.

 

[LandGreen]

In that case, I guess we'll just have to continue flying our "commuter" jets for more $ than all those "big airline" guys in the wide bodys.

another cocky SWA FNG...those widebody pilots were making a lot more than you back before 9-11...you wanna bet SWA mgt will be coming for your share??

 

[Kugelblitz]

Let me do something unusual for this website and certainly amongst our ranks:

I apologize to all the SWA people that I besmirched for no reason.

This string was started as a harmless joke about showing a 787 in SW colors and I make it into a SWA slamming event by making a stupid remark about commuter airlines and then follow that up with rhetoric about pay and benefits at SW. All this just because someone posted a 787 in SW colors. Perhaps a bit of fear on my part.

These last few postings say more about me than any comment I made. I need to get out of this industry. Again my heartfelt apologies to all I offended for no reason.

Peace.

 

[relief tube]

that'd be one expensive type to have to buy.

 

[SuperFLUF]

The second launch costomer? There can be only one launch costomer.

Sometimes there can be.

CAL was the first US launch customer on the 787 becuase they were the first US airline to order it. The press releases....etc all named CAL as the US launch customer for the 78.

Then NWA ordered the 78, taking earlier delivery dates for the 787 so now they are considered the US launch customer by virtue of the earlier delivery date.

And what's with all the Southwest hate on this board? No one can deny they are a well run airline and if you like that kind of flying, its a good job.

Its not like they are J.O.'s Mesa. Bashing them I can certainly get on board with.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Sometimes there can be.

CAL was the first US launch customer on the 787 becuase they were the first US airline to order it. The press releases....etc all named CAL as the US launch customer for the 78.

Then NWA ordered the 78, taking earlier delivery dates for the 787 so now they are considered the US launch customer by virtue of the earlier delivery date.

Nope. There can only be one. CAL was the original launch customer. Now NWA will be the launch customer.

And what's with all the Southwest hate on this board? No one can deny they are a well run airline and if you like that kind of flying, its a good job.

Its not like they are J.O.'s Mesa. Bashing them I can certainly get on board with.

I never bashed on SWA. I just said that bad things can happen to any airline. Hopefully Southwest will be a great airline for many more years but nobody knows for sure.

 

[Diesel-9]

Not that it matters, but NWA had the order in for quite awhile, over a year+ before it was leaked. They were trying to hide it during concessions talk. L.A. Times leaked the story and NWA quickly admitted to the orders.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

This is like beating a dead horse at this point but whoever gets the plane on property first is the launch customer. There can only be one.

Its like saying the guy who comes in 2nd place is the second guy to come in 1st place. Huh???

The original poster knew he was wrong but instead of admiting it he thought it would make more sense to point out that I spelled customer wrong.

You can lead a horse to water...




Anyways, there are more important things to worry about.

 

[FBN0223]

airline pride kills me.... so dumb in so many ways- fly for who you want.
.

For many it's not about the airline but rather the type of flying. If I am not doing International flying then I rather be flying a J-3 Cub. Flying multiple legs domestic is not for me and I would get out of the flying business if that was my only option.

But flying domestic works for many guys and gals and I hope they enjoy their careers at Southwest.

 

[IXLR8]

I don't understand why all of us pilots are the bitches we are. We are unable to just be happy with what we have and not try to justify the jealousy and bitterness that we feel towards other pilots because they are in a better situation than the one we find our selves at currently. What a joke, who gives a FU** about flying a 787, 747, 737, etc or flying for Delta or SW or United, Who FUC***G cares. Stop being bitter, make the most of what you have and just shut the FU** up. And I don't fly for SW. uba757

Then there would be no use for this forum...

 

[IXLR8]

Iron Maiden RULES!!!!

 

[Captzaahlie]

The hubris of the SWA crowd never ceases to amaze me.

Had 9-11 not happened you would still be losing pilots to other airlines every month just like you were up and until the day the towers came down.

I actually wanted to work for them before 911......

 

[scoreboardII]

Need more cowbell...

 

[Scope out RJ's]

It seems like most of the threads involving SWA turn into name calling lately, no matter who started it.

I chalk it up to the general tension in the industry and possibly boredom.

But it does get a little old after a while.

But it does get entertaining watching all the pft swa skirts get all worked up!:laugh:

 

[Formula 1]

This is like beating a dead horse at this point but whoever gets the plane on property first is the launch customer. There can only be one.

Its like saying the guy who comes in 2nd place is the second guy to come in 1st place. Huh???

The original poster knew he was wrong but instead of admiting it he thought it would make more sense to point out that I spelled customer wrong.

You can lead a horse to water...




Anyways, there are more important things to worry about.

I sorry that I did not admit that I was wrong. You are right. The second airline that receives a new type of aircraft is not the second launch customer of jack. He just the guy who copied the first guy and he is not very original. Thank you for pointing that out.

By the way, admitting is spelt with two T's.

 

[Formula 1]

I found this on another site and the author makes a good point.

"Well in a strict sense the "program launch customers" are the airlines
who order enough planes to fulfill the minimum order requirement,
regardless of when they get their planes, e.g. Lufthansa ordering
enough 737s to allow Boeing to build it, or PanAm ordering 21 747s. In
this sense Both SQ, EK, QF etc are all "launch customers" of the A380,
while Singapore is the "launch operator" (my own term) in the sense it
will be the first to put the plane into revenue service.

ANA will be both a program launch customer and the launch operator of
the 787.


Air New Zealand, the second ever 787 customer, will only get its first
plane in 2010, the first 787-9. So in this sense ANZ is a "program
launch customer" as well as a "model launch customer" even though
first delivery is 2010, 2 years after first 787-8 delivery.


Sometimes, due to politics or other factors, the actual launch
customer is not advertised as such; the hot selling 777-300ER is a
classic example, with Air France as the actual launch customer, but
JAL was the "advertised" launch customer. Air France was first to
order and first to fly the 77W.


You find all sorts of launch customers, some more marketing spin than
others, e.g. "African launch customer" or "North American launch
customer" as well as "GE launch customer" or "RR launch customer" for
various engine\airframe combinations.


A hard and fast rule is:
1) whoever orders before official program launch ("the ones who make
the program possible")
2) whoever orders a special variant of the base model and makes that
variant possible (787-9, 787-3, 787-10, A380-900, B777-300ER)
3) whoever orders enough of a specific engine\airframe combination to
allow the engine program to go ahead can be considered that
powerplant's launch customer."

 

[DOVPILOT]

yeah, I don't think so..haha

http://www.ostrower.com/jon/787-tails-lg.jpg

 

[Fly-n-hi]

I found this on another site and the author makes a good point.

"Well in a strict sense the "program launch customers" are the airlines
who order enough planes to fulfill the minimum order requirement,
regardless of when they get their planes, e.g. Lufthansa ordering
enough 737s to allow Boeing to build it, or PanAm ordering 21 747s. In
this sense Both SQ, EK, QF etc are all "launch customers" of the A380,
while Singapore is the "launch operator" (my own term) in the sense it
will be the first to put the plane into revenue service.

ANA will be both a program launch customer and the launch operator of
the 787.


Air New Zealand, the second ever 787 customer, will only get its first
plane in 2010, the first 787-9. So in this sense ANZ is a "program
launch customer" as well as a "model launch customer" even though
first delivery is 2010, 2 years after first 787-8 delivery.


Sometimes, due to politics or other factors, the actual launch
customer is not advertised as such; the hot selling 777-300ER is a
classic example, with Air France as the actual launch customer, but
JAL was the "advertised" launch customer. Air France was first to
order and first to fly the 77W.


You find all sorts of launch customers, some more marketing spin than
others, e.g. "African launch customer" or "North American launch
customer" as well as "GE launch customer" or "RR launch customer" for
various engine\airframe combinations.


A hard and fast rule is:
1) whoever orders before official program launch ("the ones who make
the program possible")
2) whoever orders a special variant of the base model and makes that
variant possible (787-9, 787-3, 787-10, A380-900, B777-300ER)
3) whoever orders enough of a specific engine\airframe combination to
allow the engine program to go ahead can be considered that
powerplant's launch customer."

The war's over man. Let it go.

 

[MCOE175]

Could you imagine how many mullets, fat people and people with breathing machines they could fit on that. Now boarding group ZZ 89-138

 

[GuppyWN]

Amen to that. Been there done that in a past life and I like the sh!t out of three time zones. Never more than 5 hours from the house and I speak the language in most parts of America.

Gup

 

[Cobra17]

You wouldn't like the layovers in Asia anyway.

katoey

man, I really miss her

 

[walkthasky]

The hubris of the SWA crowd never ceases to amaze me.

Had 9-11 not happened you would still be losing pilots to other airlines every month just like you were up and until the day the towers came down.

And had 9/11 not happened those companies would be in the condition they are in anyway. Their balance sheets sucked before and 9/11 just accelerated the current state. Come on dude...

 

[walkthasky]

Enjoy flying the same aircraft domestically for the rest of your life. You wouldn't like the layovers in Asia anyway.

You must be the same kind of retard that chooses his/her career based on aircraft size and int'l layovers. Guess I was wrong to choose the most secure airline ?

 

[waveflyer]

the airline that works for one pilot doesn't have to work for the others.

let it go-- it's a dumb debate-- I think SWA is used to having to justify itself-- you really don't have to anymore

 

[clippyrip]

Guess I was wrong to choose the most secure airline ?

Pan Am used to be that way....enjoy your career smart guy.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You must be the same kind of retard that chooses his/her career based on aircraft size and int'l layovers. Guess I was wrong to choose the most secure airline ?

The same BS that the PAA, TWA, EAL guys used to say. What a PFT moron!

 

[Cobra17]

Nothing lasts forever.

Even cold November rain.

 

[DOVPILOT]

Amen to that. Been there done that in a past life and I like the sh!t out of three time zones. Never more than 5 hours from the house and I speak the language in most parts of America.

Gup

except for HRL, BRO, LRD and ELP