Scenario Question - flameout over water

[G100driver]

Might want to invest in that Cuba overflight permit. If in fact GC is your destination, then this should take care of the wetprint.

If you cannot go without a wet footprint then best to stay at home. We never take a leg with a wet footrprint. Stupid to do so.

 

[X-Wind]

I would hope your first conclusion would be a no go!

Would you put your family on that flight?


However, for what ever reason you do decide to go and you do have a safety of flight issue enroute, and you do make it to Land. Now you ask yourself, would I ever do that again?

I'm curious, what is your answer?

 

[Spooky 2]

I would hope your first conclusion would be a no go!

Would you put your family on that flight?


However, for what ever reason you do decide to go and you do have a safety of flight issue enroute, and you do make it to Land. Now you ask yourself, would I ever do that again?

I'm curious, what is your answer?

I don't think he said that he had done this but was looking for contructive information on how to handle the emergency if it happened. How he got in to the fix to begin with is moot.

 

[Freightdog99]

Another thing to consider when flying a King Air with hydraulic landing gear over water is a failure of one of the up lines resulting in a loss of hydraulic pressure to keep the landing gear retracted. Not to many people take this scenario into consideration when flying over water in a King Air or other type where hydraulic pressure is required to hold the landing gear up.

Take the same scenario above and even if you don't have a wet footprint, figure out what would happen if you lost pressure to hold the gear up. You may end up having a wet footprint after all. Just something to think about as your flying over extended open water.

 

[Choppy]

Well for sure I would head to the nearest destination. How do you know you wont make it? Get things lined up if you dont but press on to the nearest land! If someone is injured in the forced landing a hospital is closer than out in the water near a vessel.

 

[satpak77]

I don't think he said that he had done this but was looking for contructive information on how to handle the emergency if it happened. How he got in to the fix to begin with is moot.

Indeed correct. I would never put myself in that situation, but when "perfect planning" turns to crap (nearest strip gets closed, etc) I was looking for what the audience would do.

Me, I would probably ditch under power near some boats or ocean liners and ideally have already made direct contact via HF with Coast Guard units and also have relayed my ditch-location to ATC and overhead traffic on 121.5/ATC freq.

 

[Spooky 2]

Indeed correct. I would never put myself in that situation, but when "perfect planning" turns to crap (nearest strip gets closed, etc) I was looking for what the audience would do.

Me, I would probably ditch under power near some boats or ocean liners and ideally have already made direct contact via HF with Coast Guard units and also have relayed my ditch-location to ATC and overhead traffic on 121.5/ATC freq.

So what frequency do you think the CG guards these days? BTW, the military ships do not guard 121.5 and most merchant ships only guard their radios so many hours a day thanks to the latest automation.

 

[Freight Dog]

I'd go in the back, throw the boss, his friends and the clubs out the door and buy myself some time...

Y'know.. less weight = higher altitude = less fuel burn = fighting chance.

Maybe that's why I can't find a corporate pilot job...

 

[satpak77]

So what frequency do you think the CG guards these days? BTW, the military ships do not guard 121.5 and most merchant ships only guard their radios so many hours a day thanks to the latest automation.

8983 and 5696 have historically had lots of traffic. I know that is an "internal" freq and not something designed as a Guard or Initial Contact freq, such as 8291 or 12290 KHZ was.

11175 also but that is another "internal" military US Global HF (typically C-5, C-17 traffic, amongst others)

156.800 VHF-FM is Marine Ch.16 which almost all boats are up on

 

[Spooky 2]

8983 and 5696 have historically had lots of traffic. I know that is an "internal" freq and not something designed as a Guard or Initial Contact freq, such as 8291 or 12290 KHZ was.

11175 also but that is another "internal" military US Global HF (typically C-5, C-17 traffic, amongst others)

156.800 VHF-FM is Marine Ch.16 which almost all boats are up on

You didn't score on that answer. Sorry. 4125 is the traditional USCG HF emergency frequency. Google it and you will learn more than you ever wanted. Obviously in todays world other aircraft, SATCOM and last but not least if you really think there is even a remote possibility of ditching, tell whom ever your talking to, ATC, etc. to notify AMVER of your distress as that maybe your only chance of survival once in the water.