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OH Man !!!!

Avbug

Did you just admit to being a tanker pilot??? Well you are a garbage man of the sky. I was in the same industry as you. I spent a few summers flying a Jump plane and one flying air attack. Lots of fun but it is going nowhere. Sure you will get paid well for a summer but forget the family life and kiss your summers goodbye. You see that is exactly what I am talking about. You are doing something that only total losers stick with anyone with any good sense gets out as fast as they can. I have done most of the jobs that you have mentioned like corporate. I have sat in FBO's waiting for hours like a fool for some exec to show up. Sitting at home doing nothing because I had a 30 minute call out. I know what a fruitless end most of that stuff is. I am jaded and not to far from reality it sounds like you are trying to hang on to the denial fantasy that you are in. I am old too old to make it to a good place in the industry anymore. Back when I started you couldn't even get hired by the majors unless you were under 30. You are right most are in their late 30's to early 40's by the time they get it, however a few are much younger. By the time you are in your 40's it is too late. You will enjoy the left seat for 3 to 5 years then goodbye. No money no home base no seniority. By 40 you should be senior and looking forward to upgrade.

Perhaps I am looking at this thing all wrong. Maybe kids these days don't want security, respect, good income or a family. Maybe it is cool to be a martyr. I always wanted a good life with all those things in it. I am not a masochist. Enjoy your pain cuz I am sure you will find it.

You may not believe me but I do like you. You seem like a good hearted person and someone who is sincere. I don't want to hurt your feelings or to upset you, but I feel these things need to be said. I appreciate your opinions and respect them. I am sorry if my writing style is a bit harsh.

Skyline
 
Did I just admit to it? As in sometime in the last decade or two, or before? Yes, flying tankers is one of the things I do, and I do by choice...and fully without any need to justify. No, if you flew air attack or a jump ship (which I've done, both), you didn't fly tankers, and have no idea what's involved. You can take that to the bank.

I hold a current card in a tanker, presently as a level 1 SEAT, and as always, am grateful for the chance.

I've been giving a lot of thought to dropping everythign else and going back to tanker work exclusively next year again...if the bottom hasn't been completely gutted out of the industry by then.

The rumors are a'flying...

Maybe it is cool to be a martyr. I always wanted a good life with all those things in it. I am not a masochist.

Masochist? No. Martyr? Yes. In your case, I think you still like it, or like the recognition that you think it brings.
 
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Avbug,

You've got me there. You are a true believer. If flying tankers seems like a good idea to you and you don't mind all the BS that comes with being a traveling gypsy then I tip my hat to you.

Man, look at the people you work with. If you are not careful that waste of a human life that is the Captain will be you in 10 years. Most of them have no families and live out of a suitcase for six months. They are depressed loosers who couldn't make it anywhere else. The ones I knew were alcoholics and smoked a little MJ. Tanker pilots don't even build any time that anyone cares about. It is a total dead end and I mean dead like KIA. If you are satisfied with that then enjoy. I am sure there will be fun to be had for a long time yet.

I am sorry if I am arrogant but someone needs to save you from yourself.

Skyline
 
Skyline is Flame bait. He is some pi$$ed off late 30s Delta express loser, who just took a 50% pay cut, and knows the furlough is coming. How come he didn't feel this way in '90? Huh? You remember, Pan Am and Eastern going OUT OF BUSINESS? TWA laid off 10,000 pilots? Job market worse than today? Face it man, you chose badly then, and are trying to share the misery. I stand by my earlier post. There are good jobs for good people. Jetblue, SW and Continental don't hire whining doomsday preachers, so don't bother to apply. Good fortune 500 corp. operators will smell your stench also.
I'm usually not this harsh, but you really need to learn to live and let live. I'm happy with my corp. job, Avbug is happy with his gig(s). Why is that so wrong to you? Because we're not facing pay cuts, furloughs, and no pension? Get over yourself dude, in 90 days, you'll be just another loser in the unemployment line.

Apology to other Delta Pilots: I know that most of ya'll are not of this mind. I just saw a strange coincedence between the timing of Skyline's post, and my wife's pay cut and the rest of the above crap. She is a 16 year Delta crewmember, and I'm feelin' it too...
 
Skyline is Flame bait.

Kingairrick

Man I wish I was a Delta furloughee. You are right I have been watching the news tonight and it seems that perhaps the apocalypse is upon us. DAL and NWA are doing the big signal flairs. Tha band is playing and the RJ layoffs will be bloody. This could be the end of the legacy carriers and the end of the great regional hiring boom. Soon we will all be garbage men of the sky. No offence. Go ahead, love your job. I don't care what you do. I don't like the lower levels of the career and neither do most pilots. I am not flame bait. I just think it sucks to be on call for low wages and it is a good thing for you since I am sure that the guy you replaced left for an airline job. You had better hope he doesnt want it back soon. You guys remind me of beaten wives. your face is black and blue but are still truly in love. The more savage the beating the more in love you become. I just call it as I see it.

Skyline
 
If you are not careful that waste of a human life that is the Captain will be you in 10 years.

It is me, brightspark. The Captain. I'm a waste of human life now, am I?

This isn't my only job, but it's certainly the one I enjoy the most...and the one I do strictly because I want to do it.

You should probably stick to bashing a part of the industry you know something about...clearly this area isn't your forte.

Still, that's getting side tracked. You're here to save the masses from committing the Great Mistake which we call You. You're here to tell the little boys and girls just starting out how they shouldn't grow up like you. Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be skyline, that sort of thing.

I can't fault you there. Nobody should look forward to a future lined with your bitterness. However, in all fairness, a lot of people would feel very fortunate to be where you've been, though in your eyes they're all failures.

It's now where you are. It's not your lack of a quarter million a year in income. It's not your lack of six heavy types and the top third seniority in a major. It's your bitter attitude which is your failing.

You're doubtless familiar with the old saw that says, "W(h)eather you think you can, or think you can't, you're right." Meditate on that for a while.

You think you can't. You're right.

Your right isn't everyone else's right. Your right if for most people, wrong. Because they can. Because we can. Because I can. Because I do.

You could too...but for you.

You're doubtless familiar with the old saw, "Attitude determines altitude."

Your inability to garner meaningful work in the flight levels is determined not by your advancing years. Certainly not by your mileage. But by your attitude. I work there on a daily basis. I could be doing more, I could be doing less...but the important thing is that I don't want to.

I think your true crime in impatience. You're not willing to wait until this life ends to see if there's a heaven or a hell. You're living your hell now. Therein lies the true tragedy.
 
If I were a betting man, I'd say that Skyline works for ATA. If so, it almost makes his bitterness understandable.
 
FlyChicaga said:
If I were a betting man, I'd say that Skyline works for ATA. If so, it almost makes his bitterness understandable.
That's what I was thinking today as well.
 
I'm beginning to think that Skyline might be one of the most effective trolls to ever come across this board. He makes obvious troll comments with his garbage man of the sky metaphor, or his calling people losers or a waste of human life. Of course, any amateur troll can make these comments. But his genius is in wrapping these comments in a believable back story of having been there, done that, as well as using a rather subdued, non-agressive tone.

Hey, it had me going too. Bravo Skyline! I've seen a lot of trolls, and you're definitely in the top 10%. But sorry man, you got careless and jerked the line too hard - the BS meter just went off the scale.
 
Sorry if I missed it

Skyline said:
That was an interesting story. Someone should make a movie out of that. Come to think of it wasn't there a movie starring Dennis Hopper as a drug running pilot back in the 80's. Does anyone know the title of that movie?

Skyline

Sorry if someone already answered this one, I'm short on time so I couldn't read every post.

"Double Crossed" with Dennis Hopper.

Now THAT was a great film.

I still say The Butterfly Effect sucked.

By the way, Skyline and I exchanged *very* brief PMs. I think he's for real. I also think he's right where I was about 10 years ago...

...but you know, it's nothing a little blood, sweat and tears (and a crapload of credit card debt can't solve).

Good luck man.
 
Avbug

Avbug


I am here to offer a public apology. I am sorry to have offended. I am sorry if I stepped on your dreams. It is wrong of me to try and apply my interests and values to other people.

I really like you Avbug and envy your drive. Keep it up. Enjoy your career. Best of luck to all of you as well.

Skyline
 
Stepped on my dreams? Hardly. A dream would imply a hope for the future, that starry-eyed wishfulness that you suggest fills ignorant souls who step unknowingly into their careers. The same you suggest are sure to be blindsided by reality...the reality that only you can see.

It's no dream, it's my career, and I'm well established in it. There's nothing for you to step on. I'm quite well aware of whom I am, where I am, and what I do. I don't need, nor desire your validation to do it; my assignment remains my own. I have three main employers, as well as side work, flying tankers just happens to be one function I set out to do when I was a kid, and that I'm still involved with. Flying ag was what I did right out the door as a teenager, with my first season being the summer I graduated high school.

It's a little late to need my eyes opened by someone who has already given up, and who has not been there and has not done that.
 
bigD said:
I'm beginning to think that Skyline might be one of the most effective trolls to ever come across this board. He makes obvious troll comments with his garbage man of the sky metaphor, or his calling people losers or a waste of human life. Of course, any amateur troll can make these comments. But his genius is in wrapping these comments in a believable back story of having been there, done that, as well as using a rather subdued, non-agressive tone.

Hey, it had me going too. Bravo Skyline! I've seen a lot of trolls, and you're definitely in the top 10%. But sorry man, you got careless and jerked the line too hard - the BS meter just went off the scale.

Well, he successfully pissed me off. But I'm just a dumb a$$, 'cause I turned down the interview with Continental to stay where I am. So what do I know?
 
I am sorry

Avbug

I am sorry. Please accept my flag of surrender. I was wrong. I deserve your criticisms. Whatever it takes to make it right with you.

Skyline
 

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