Saying "with you" to Center

[Rez O. Lewshun]

,,,,,

 

[O-Line]

IF you are confident of the frequency when given a change, you don't need to read it back, just flip the switch.. you can always go back...

So you're that guy that Center calls about 10 times with a frequency change, wondering if you got the change or are asleep at the wheel.

I think what you meant to say is when asked to switch to "my frequency", i.e. same controller, different frequency, just flip the switch as he'll know he got a hold of you.

 

[mmmdonut]

How about reading-back my post.....

I use wilco every day I'm in ORD, BOS, IAD , JFK, EWR, LGA... UNLESS I was told to hold short or cross rwy XX. It freed up the freq enough that I actually got a thanks from gnd on occassion.....

Can you record that and post it here? Please?

 

[SiuDude]

The ORD ATIS only tells you to read back hold short instructions. Using WilCo is pretty common here.

 

[mmmdonut]

Please say wilco at EWR..... please... do it tomorrow when I'm there.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So you're that guy that Center calls about 10 times with a frequency change, wondering if you got the change or are asleep at the wheel.

I think what you meant to say is when asked to switch to "my frequency", i.e. same controller, different frequency, just flip the switch as he'll know he got a hold of you.

Nope, just saying..... if you are sure of the freq don't read it back and before you switch to it say 'call sign/good day'....so the controller knows you got it and left...

One doesn't have to be THAT efficient if one doesn't want to.... just a technique...and we all know about techniques....

 

[philo beddoe]

"with you" always sounds kind of amateur to me.

I just call with flt #, altitude, and a big aaaaand at the beginning.

 

[Daveman]

BTW, $5 bucks says this turns into a 3-6 page thread...

Page 4.5 and counting.

 

[redpen]

Ever hear something like this?

Cessna 740, do you still have preceding traffic in sight?

Roger, 740.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I say over 7 pages

 

[midlifeflyer]

And I thought Denver Approach had a good rep....

By the way, anyone ever had a runin with Tower Nazi at BJC? That guy used to crack me up, I could only picture the expression on his face when he got mad.....

Actually they do. The juggling they have to do going out of their way to handle the practice approaches around APA, BJC, and FTG is amazing, not to mention getting the odd student night cross country training flight set up for a touch & go at DEN.

I've never come across the tower Nazi at BJC, but I really don't spend much time there.

 

[421Driver]

check out the ATC 10X series of articles here http://avweb.com/news/columns/182651-1.html
very informative and it comes from a long time ATC controller.

 

[Brett Hull]

There was also another time I was flying Cargo into ORL and there were some ATA nerds in the pattern. One of them said, in response to a traffic call, "No joy, but enough about my life... heh heh." I wanted to strangle that **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**.

Uncle Sparky and I were flying somewhere one day when we heard this exchange:

Appch: Cessna 123AB, traffic 1 o'clock at 3,000, a cherokee.

Cessna 3AB: That's a Big Tally Ho!

What a dork!

So, of course the next few times we were issued traffic, the response (without keying up) was "That's a Big Tally Ho!"

 

[Goose Egg]

Unfortunately, the first time I heard that the term "with you" was superfluous was on a checkride (long story, but suffice to say, I've had better days.) The reason for that being that it is just redundant. The controller knows that we are "with them," or else we wouldn't be talking on their frequency.

I think part of the tendency for inexperienced pilots to pick up that type of phraseology is a misunderstanding of how the ATC system works; this is not a "cold call," the controller to which you are being handed off to is expecting you. In fact, several times I have not been able to check in due to frequency congestion, and when a break finally occurs, the controller will say something like "Cessna 12345, are you on my frequency?" without me even having to say anything beforehand.

In my training days, I had always thought that if I had checked in saying "Boston Approach, Cessna XXXXX, Four Thousand." The approach controller would come back with something like "Cessna XXXXX, Approach, say request." And then I wouldn't know what to say next. When in reality, the answer is "Cessna XXXXX, Approach, roger." The controllers know what's going on.

-Goose

 

[Daveman]

"no touch and go for you!"

The only Seinfeld episode I ever watched...

-mini

Christmas gift for mintour, Seinfeld seasons dvds.

 

[minitour]

Christmas gift for mintour, Seinfeld seasons dvds.

eh...thanks but no thanks....I never really got into Seinfeld...The Soup Nazi was cool though...I just happened to be flipping through when he started the "no soup for you!" thing...truly a classic

anyway...

this one should make ya giggle

Flying my cross country today, I was on with Albu...."that place in New Mexico" Center and on comes mister citation:

"Alb. Center, this is Citation 12345 with you, checking in at two nine oh"

I immediately thought about this thread and jotted it down...

-mini

 

[HMR]

I immediately thought about this thread and jotted it down...

-mini

A better Christmas gift for Minitour: "I'm a FlightInfo Addict" T-Shirt.

 

[minitour]

A better Christmas gift for Minitour: "I'm a FlightInfo Addict" T-Shirt.

...and the pocket protector...please don't forget that

 

[Fly_Chick]

With You

Throughout my entire Instrument and CFII rating (at the same flight school) I was told to always use the phrase 'with you". Once I started as a CFI at a different flight school, I had another experienced CFI tell me to look up the term "With You" in the pilot-controller" glossary.

Surprise, surprise, it is not listed. I leared a very good lesson that day. There is absolutley no need to use "with you".

"Orlando Approach, Cessna 48570, 4,000" is sufficient.

 

[jeff333]

People who get peeved about how others talk on the radio need to get a life.

I'll second that