Saying "with you" to Center

[Vik]

"with you" was beaten out of us during flight training.

Its redundant and not required at all. If you're talking with to the controller, on his freq, who the hell else would you be with?

"Twin Commanche 1234Y, level one six thousand."
"Twin Commanche 1234Y, with you, level one six thousand."

Its just not required. I don't give a sh*t how people talk on the radio, but it sure helps when people trim the fat when flying around extremely busy airspace like SoCal.

 

[mmmdonut]

with you/checkin in/checkin on/Delta's/level at/how's the ride/


Ya know, you're gonna end up saying this stuff so much, that it becomes pointless to be picky. Who cares what other people say.

I did crack up yesterday when my captain missed a call and when he finally did respond to center he said "sorry I was on the land line"

 

[minitour]

...I did crack up yesterday when my captain missed a call and when he finally did respond to center he said "sorry I was on the land line"

spank!

 

[flyifrvfr]

The only thing that peeves me is when someone says This is. You here it with mainly student pilots learning how to use the radio, but it does get on my nerves. " Tower this is Cessna 12345 ". Man, I can't stand that.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Yeah, Im guilty. I'm one of those pilots everybody's talking about who say:
"Center, American 123 "Checking In With 'Ya", FL290"

Here's a question, so when handed off from one Center to the next, are you required to call them by their center name? The reason I ask is because I'm one of those who just say's Center when I'm checking in. I've embarassed myself enough by mistakenly calling Miami Center Jacksonville and Jacksonville Center Atlanta. After a while, you get mixed up as to who you're even talking to. Anyway, it's Center that you're calling. You know they're Center and they know they're Center, so why refer to them by their geographical name?

Here's a funny one. A few trips ago, the pilot I was flying with liked to say this when he was checking in with different controllers. "IT'S American 123, FL290"

I just thought that was a little funny

 

[mmmdonut]

I never know who I'm talking to, so I just say "center" - I mean they call it Indy center even though I suppose it should be Indianapolis. I'm also amused when I hear the controllers refer to it as THE Cleveland center. Although they are right, it is unique.


BTW, $5 bucks says this turns into a 3-6 page thread...

 

[Uncle Sparky]

The only time I would consider the controlling agency name crucial, would be the initial call in the airport environment. I'll use the MIA area for an example. Let's say you are in OPF(just North of MIA for those not familiar) and make the call to taxi on 121.8 instead of 121.9 " ground N123..customs... taxi with Lima" MIAground " 123.....taxi to 9L"....or even worse MIA-twr=118.3/OPF=120.7 "..tower N123.....visual nine left"...on 118.3 while you're lined up with 9L at OPF!. It may sound picky but many a/c (including large jet aircraft)have made this mistake with these two runways. A 727 even made a complete landing before they discovered their error! Otherwise, I don't see it being a problem in the enroute environment. Heck, I'm guilty myself!

 

[HMR]

From 4-2-3(r2) revised contact procedures:

(a) ALOOOHA! (name of the facility being called)

(b) Token smart-guy aircraft identification (i.e. Slowtation, Near jet, Bagel Bomber, etc.)

(c) when oprerating on an airport surface, state position unless you're pretty sure nobody would be flying at this hour.

(d) The type of message to follow (i.e. "The smiles are wide 'cuz smoothe is the ride.")

(e) No matter how busy New York Approach is, read back every single instruction given.

(f) The word "Over" if required, and your crewmember hasn't already beaten you with the fire axe.

 

[Caveman]

Coming from a military background it drives me crazy when someone says "two nine oh" as opposed to "two niner zero".

A couple of years ago I made it a point of retraining myself to use the exact same phraseology as the controllers. Ever notice how standard they are from center to center? I seem to get better service from them since I've been doing it that way.

I am guilty of saying "Good morning" or whatever is appropriate, however, there is a reason I do it. It serves as an opportunity for the controller to divert his attention from whatever else he is doing to listening to me. If I just jump in immediately with "Center, Comair 123, blah, blah, blah.." he hasn't had time to even recognize that he is being spoken to. On the other hand if I slowly say, "Good morning Cleveland (slight pause), Comair 123, blah, blah, blah..." I seem to get a lot less "Calling Center, say again."

 

[User546]

The Captain I fly with always complains anytime I DO start out a transmission using "Center, Tower, Approach, etc."

Without fail, everytime I do, the split second I unkey the mic, he'll pop back "They KNOW who THEY are! You don't have to remind them."

And I'm also going to raise my hand that I'm guilty of normally saying "1234AB checking in FL410" on the center handoff's.

I think some people are just way to uptight with the whole "proper phraseology" thing. Just cause you don't say it by the AIM, doesn't mean it's unprofessional or wrong. The AIM is more of a suggestion then a requirement.