Saying "with you" to Center

[mmmdonut]

I never know who I'm talking to, so I just say "center" - I mean they call it Indy center even though I suppose it should be Indianapolis. I'm also amused when I hear the controllers refer to it as THE Cleveland center. Although they are right, it is unique.


BTW, $5 bucks says this turns into a 3-6 page thread...

 

[Uncle Sparky]

The only time I would consider the controlling agency name crucial, would be the initial call in the airport environment. I'll use the MIA area for an example. Let's say you are in OPF(just North of MIA for those not familiar) and make the call to taxi on 121.8 instead of 121.9 " ground N123..customs... taxi with Lima" MIAground " 123.....taxi to 9L"....or even worse MIA-twr=118.3/OPF=120.7 "..tower N123.....visual nine left"...on 118.3 while you're lined up with 9L at OPF!. It may sound picky but many a/c (including large jet aircraft)have made this mistake with these two runways. A 727 even made a complete landing before they discovered their error! Otherwise, I don't see it being a problem in the enroute environment. Heck, I'm guilty myself!

 

[HMR]

From 4-2-3(r2) revised contact procedures:

(a) ALOOOHA! (name of the facility being called)

(b) Token smart-guy aircraft identification (i.e. Slowtation, Near jet, Bagel Bomber, etc.)

(c) when oprerating on an airport surface, state position unless you're pretty sure nobody would be flying at this hour.

(d) The type of message to follow (i.e. "The smiles are wide 'cuz smoothe is the ride.")

(e) No matter how busy New York Approach is, read back every single instruction given.

(f) The word "Over" if required, and your crewmember hasn't already beaten you with the fire axe.

 

[Caveman]

Coming from a military background it drives me crazy when someone says "two nine oh" as opposed to "two niner zero".

A couple of years ago I made it a point of retraining myself to use the exact same phraseology as the controllers. Ever notice how standard they are from center to center? I seem to get better service from them since I've been doing it that way.

I am guilty of saying "Good morning" or whatever is appropriate, however, there is a reason I do it. It serves as an opportunity for the controller to divert his attention from whatever else he is doing to listening to me. If I just jump in immediately with "Center, Comair 123, blah, blah, blah.." he hasn't had time to even recognize that he is being spoken to. On the other hand if I slowly say, "Good morning Cleveland (slight pause), Comair 123, blah, blah, blah..." I seem to get a lot less "Calling Center, say again."

 

[User546]

The Captain I fly with always complains anytime I DO start out a transmission using "Center, Tower, Approach, etc."

Without fail, everytime I do, the split second I unkey the mic, he'll pop back "They KNOW who THEY are! You don't have to remind them."

And I'm also going to raise my hand that I'm guilty of normally saying "1234AB checking in FL410" on the center handoff's.

I think some people are just way to uptight with the whole "proper phraseology" thing. Just cause you don't say it by the AIM, doesn't mean it's unprofessional or wrong. The AIM is more of a suggestion then a requirement.

 

[chperplt]

Ever notice how standard they are from center to center?

Are you being serious here? If you are... I've failed to notice that.

I seem to get better service from them since I've been doing it that way.

I don't believe anyone gets "better" service than anyone else. Unless of course you piss them off. Then we all know what kind of service you get.

 

[midlifeflyer]

I'm one of those "standard phraseology freaks." Cringe when I hear the non-standard stuff. As Caveman pointed out, the controllers seem to have no problem with saying the right thing the right way.

But the only time I really get a little crazy about it is when CFIs teach it as though it =is= the proper way to say it. I remember once a student pilot posted the communication cheat sheet from his flight school and "with you" was on it as the "right way".

My theory is simple. We will all end up picking up non-standard phrases. And most of us probably realize that there are times when "just the facts, ma'am" is what's needed. But when we start off learning that stuff, we become unable to get it right when we need it. Might as well be taught AIM-standard and persoanlize it later if we feel the need to be cool.

 

[Caveman]

"Are you being serious here? If you are... I've failed to notice that."

My experience has been that even when the controllers personalize it a bit they still give out the pertinent info using standard phraseology. For example, there used to be a guy at FAT that used the AIM correct terminology but usually ended his final transmission to you with "Happy trails." He was still standard, but with a personal touch.

 

[Vector4fun]

I used to not care about the "with you" thing until a few years ago. I'd get;


"Approach, DAL322 is with ya out of one four thousand to cross XXX at ten and we got Mike."

No big deal, sounds friendly and communicates what I need. Then the "little" guys started copying and I'd get;

"Approach, Baron 49X is with you at six".

Again, no big deal when you're not busy, and I know who N49X is because I just took the handoff. Then it became;

"Approach, Cessna 49M is with ya".

I'm scanning the scope and rufflin' through strips and ranging my scope out looking for a tag on Cessna 49M and trying to remember a handoff I didn't take. Finally, in frustration, I ask 49M his position and altitude.

"Oh, we're VFR about 30 west and we'd like flight following to Hooks." or some such.

It was at that point I really began to dislike the phrase, even though I probably used it myself a time or two. Now I check in with Call sign and altitude after a HO, and initiate a call with call sign and "VFR request". I like hearing that on approach, so I can immediately prioritize my response.

Anybody ever hear this one?

"Clearance, Cessna One Seven Two Seven Four Three Zero Bravo".

Hunh? Ohhh *(&$#@&
Used to drive me nuts as I'd already be ripping up the strip I started when he called. Thank goodness that's eased up some.

 

[mmmdonut]

I remember when I was doing my PPL training, being the dork that I am, I said "******** traffic, Warrior 123A rolling on runway 5." My instructor promptly and firmly told me to never do that again. I never did, not wanting to piss him off... lol

There was also another time I was flying Cargo into ORL and there were some ATA nerds in the pattern. One of them said, in response to a traffic call, "No joy, but enough about my life... heh heh." I wanted to strangle that **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**.

 

[mmmdonut]

Anybody ever hear this one?

"Clearance, Cessna One Seven Two Seven Four Three Zero Bravo".

Hunh? Ohhh *(&$#@&
Used to drive me nuts as I'd already be ripping up the strip I started when he called. Thank goodness that's eased up some.

I swear I've heard that on Tucson approach and it took them 5 minutes to figure it out. Only he was calling in Cessna one fife two..... Everyone else on the frequency was blocking each other trying to explain to the controller what this idiot was saying. It was a mess.

 

[minitour]

From 4-2-3(r2) revised contact procedures:

(a) ALOOOHA! (name of the facility being called)

(b) Token smart-guy aircraft identification (i.e. Slowtation, Near jet, Bagel Bomber, etc.)

(c) when oprerating on an airport surface, state position unless you're pretty sure nobody would be flying at this hour.

(d) The type of message to follow (i.e. "The smiles are wide 'cuz smoothe is the ride.")

(e) No matter how busy New York Approach is, read back every single instruction given.

(f) The word "Over" if required, and your crewmember hasn't already beaten you with the fire axe.

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...that was the gayest thing I ever read until I saw that post

thanks for making me laugh

-mini

*edit* if you can't tell, I'm just f*ckin with ya

 

[52Vincent]

I use to say "with you" until one night, flying from COS to BJC.
COS handed me off to DEN app. So I proceeded to say "den app, cessna .... with you at 8500. The controller came on and began chewing me out for using the phrase "with you" .... HOW CAN YOU BE WITH ME WHEN YOU HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO ME!!! YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BE WITH ME UNLESS I HAVE PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN TO YOU!!!!
I do believe he needed to lighten up on the coffee consumption , but he did get his point across and Iam no longer guilty of saying "with you" or "checkin in".

 

[Vik]

I just say ...

"Twin Commanche 1234Y, level one six thousand"

I don't remember who they are half the time anyway, so point wasting time on freq having them correct you.

If you've reached the wrong guy, he'll let you know because you won't be on his screen or he won't have your info.

 

[Daveman]

With You

Hellll, I quit checkin' in years ago. Let them call me.