SATSAir

[Ace Pilot]

G-force the poet

It's a miracle!! G-force actually thought up of somthing new to post instead of writing "Go back and read all the other posts" or "Stop drinking Koolaid...you koolaid drinker you." I agree with everyone else about his negative attitude. I know this guy and yes...he has been fired from alot of places for alot of really dumb things in which he blames everyone else. G-force if everybody sucks so bad and you are so smart, why don't you just start up your own 135 operation? I mean I think it would be really easy for you to do with all that knoweledge, right? As least that's how you make it sound dogging everybody. Then we could all get on here and dog your operation.

 

[G-force]

Big AD for Pilots @SATSAir

if one were to check findapilot.com,they would see a BIG AD for pilots at various locations for SATSAir positions.If a pilot wants to fly SE-piston pounders,with no APPROVED known-icing equippment,then GO-FOR-IT!!!

Before one does this,DO A SEARCH and READ ALL OF THE OTHER POSTS ABOUT THIS OUTFIT,and then if one does not agree,then find ANOTHER PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYER!!!!!

 

[climbhappy]

g force,

why would one need known ice in florida or nc in the summer? what is your fixation on flying an airplane with known ice?

you moron, if your op specs don't allow for flight into known ice, you don't fly in the clouds where the ice is found.

i still say you're afraid to fly single pilot ifr. the cirrus is so well equipped and automated, we could put a dummy in the right seat for you to keep you company.

by the way, i'm looking forward to the cirrus jet. boy, it will ruffle your feathers when that comes out for sure.

 

[Flywrite]

if one were to check findapilot.com,they would see a BIG AD for pilots at various locations for SATSAir positions.If a pilot wants to fly SE-piston pounders,with no APPROVED known-icing equippment,then GO-FOR-IT!!!

Before one does this,DO A SEARCH and READ ALL OF THE OTHER POSTS ABOUT THIS OUTFIT,and then if one does not agree,then find ANOTHER PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYER!!!!!

SATSair has found a clever loophole to get around the known icing issue. It's probably too complicated for G to understand, so I'll try to explain it in small words:

Known Ice=No fly

Clever, huh?

 

[climbhappy]

job search guru "g force"

i think i can sum up his profound advice. but before i tell you, read all of his other posts and if his BS is not for you, then find another thread.

i think what he is spouting is if you don't want to work there, then don't... but somewhere laced within all the dribble is this inate preoccupation with a cirrus that could fall out of the sky in June if one were to fly it at arounf FL 370. where all the ice is in summer.

 

[TrailerTrash]

Climbmaggot

i think i can sum up his profound advice. but before i tell you, read all of his other posts and if his BS is not for you, then find another thread.

i think what he is spouting is if you don't want to work there, then don't... but somewhere laced within all the dribble is this inate preoccupation with a cirrus that could fall out of the sky in June if one were to fly it at arounf FL 370. where all the ice is in summer.

A competent pilot does not have to bash other members on this website.Have a little class instead of being such a drip.Line guys rule!

 

[climbhappy]

trailer,

we're trying to get G force to quit worrying about the cirrus being a light airplane designed for a specific mission which by the way has succeeded as far as SATS is concerned. G force can't understand why a payin customer would get in a cirrus instead of his fancy king air with "known ice" we're slamming him for not seeing the forest from the trees. we're actually trying to get him to wake up and smell the coffee. A cirrus is fine if you keep it out of ice. you can't fly it for hire and fly into known or forecast icing conditions. in the winter(you don't see SATS with bases up in Presque Isle Maine do you?) the deep south rarely ever sees long periods of icing conditions with low decks.

G force needs to realize that sometime a business plan can succeed despite it not being totally in line with a perceived reality. G force needs to step out of the box and say, "wow" " SATS is really doing well with that little Cirrus. Hmmmm. go figure. Ida thought people might be concerned about it not having know ice certification." (of course, It does have TKS which is a form of icing protection)

 

[G-force]

RE: SATSAir @ GMU

Is this outfit out of business yet??If it is not,then they deserve to be!!

 

[100-1/2]

SATSAIR business model includes getting rednecks and jetset wannabees to fork over cash equivalents for 'shares' of ownership based on $3/4M and charter rates over $700 per hour. Alot of it up front. FOR SINGLE ENGINE - HONDA SIZED Aircraft. The next time I see one of you guys load up 3 bodies plus bags and your [easy] 275# and fly for 3 hours, I will be on the phone with your POI. Just because you are single engine and not required to keep W/B docs like the bigboys with 2 motors, does not absolve you of the responsibility to adhere to the regs and a/c limitations.

The problem is akin to other fractional programs where you mix "owner" flights with your "AeroCab" numbered flights and to the general public, you look like just another SR22 idiot blowing the limits of your aircraft.

It is interesting that Skip feels compelled to come on here with drivel asking for a ton of time to fly single engine HP aircraft and telling us what a great company it is. Yeah, I suppose when you can take 3 people and simultaneously bend them over, remove the contents of their wallet and proceed to pound them in the arse for $700/hr because of their ignorance? America, what a country, I love it [your best Yakov Russian accent inflected]

If it was such a great company, people would be asking or climbing each other's backs to get an interview. Wait, no, some sap feeling like an idiot because he is making $32k as a taxi-driver wants us all to say, wow, kool, can you get me an interview? Sign me up! SE Piston at night IMC over the Blue Ridge Parkway with MEA's @ 8 and ice reports at 3 and above! Can I get a big, WOO f'n HOO!!?!!

100-1/2

 

[G-force]

RE: OUTSIDE the REGULATIONS!!!

SATSAIR business model includes getting rednecks and jetset wannabees to fork over cash equivalents for 'shares' of ownership based on $3/4M and charter rates over $700 per hour. Alot of it up front. FOR SINGLE ENGINE - HONDA SIZED Aircraft. The next time I see one of you guys load up 3 bodies plus bags and your [easy] 275# and fly for 3 hours, I will be on the phone with your POI. Just because you are single engine and not required to keep W/B docs like the bigboys with 2 motors, does not absolve you of the responsibility to adhere to the regs and a/c limitations.

The problem is akin to other fractional programs where you mix "owner" flights with your "AeroCab" numbered flights and to the general public, you look like just another SR22 idiot blowing the limits of your aircraft.

It is interesting that Skip feels compelled to come on here with drivel asking for a ton of time to fly single engine HP aircraft and telling us what a great company it is. Yeah, I suppose when you can take 3 people and simultaneously bend them over, remove the contents of their wallet and proceed to pound them in the arse for $700/hr because of their ignorance? America, what a country, I love it [your best Yakov Russian accent inflected]

If it was such a great company, people would be asking or climbing each other's backs to get an interview. Wait, no, some sap feeling like an idiot because he is making $32k as a taxi-driver wants us all to say, wow, kool, can you get me an interview? Sign me up! SE Piston at night IMC over the Blue Ridge Parkway with MEA's @ 8 and ice reports at 3 and above! Can I get a big, WOO f'n HOO!!?!!

100-1/2

You are exactly right!! This aircraft,SR-22,cannot carry 3 pax plus the pilot,and bags,and stay within the legal gross max gross weight limitation,and still carry fuel for the trip!!

One pax plus a pilot plus some bags and a fuel quantity that meets the reg requirement is more like it!!!

 

[rumpletumbler]

I was in GMU a couple months ago and there were maybe 10 Cirrus on the ramp with no props, don't know about engines. Anyone know what's up with that?

 

[G-force]

Re: A no-brainer!!!!

I was in GMU a couple months ago and there were maybe 10 Cirrus on the ramp with no props, don't know about engines. Anyone know what's up with that?

The place is barely hanging on from what I hear!!They may go chapter 11 in a few weeks!!
Read the post from 100 1/2! Would you pay $700/hr. to charter an aircraft such as an SR-22??When you could charter a cabin-class piston twin for about the same amount,and carry 3 to 5 pax and some fuel to make the trip under IFR regs??
It should be a no-brainer!!!

 

[CaptSeth]

The SR22G3 that I fly has a useful load of about 1038 lbs. That's with A/C and TKS installed. Not bad, but with a normal sized pilot and three normal adults, you're looking at an hour and change flight time with reasonable reserves. The typical trips I do don't demand more than that, though, so it works. The G2 aircraft that I think SATSAIR operates weigh considerably more as they don't have the lighter spar. We're talking like a 200 lb difference.

It's an interesting market segment. It has potential for people that are already charter customers and don't mind the little plane to save money instead of taking the Lear to Nantucket for $4,000 a pop.

 

[G-force]

Re: Pricey charters!!!!

No matter how advanced the panel might be on this aircraft,they,the company is still charging upwards of $700/hr. for a charter!!!!!
One could still charter a cabin-class twin for about the same money!!

 

[CaptSeth]

That is pricey. We price it out a bit less than that and still do ok. If you know anybody that can use a cirrus charter up here in the Northeast, drop me a line.

 

[Bluestreak]

SATsair halts ops

From the AOPA:

October 24, 2009 by Alton K. Marsh, Senior Editor, AOPA Pilot
SATSair, an air taxi operation based in Greenville, South Carolina, has halted operations “due to circumstances.” A recorded message indicates operations are unavailable “…October 24, 25, 26 and beyond.” The company had a fleet of 26 Cirrus Design SR22 aircraft. The suspension of services was not totally unexpected. Reports from sources in the Greenville area indicate five of the aircraft had been repossessed and did not have engines. Some of those may have been sold. Another report indicates 10 additional aircraft are sitting on the ramp without engines.
Callers to the company’s maintenance operation were referred to the SATSair office which did not answer. A third source said many of the aircraft had “timed out,” referring to the engines, and were awaiting not only engines but an upgrade to the newest aircraft systems now available in newer SR22s. Company officials were not available to confirm the information.
AOPA Pilot reported in 2006 that SATSair had placed 50 firm orders for SR22 aircraft, and held options for an additional 50 aircraft.

 

[G-force]

Re: Mgmt. Responsibility!!!!

From the AOPA:

October 24, 2009 by Alton K. Marsh, Senior Editor, AOPA Pilot
SATSair, an air taxi operation based in Greenville, South Carolina, has halted operations “due to circumstances.” A recorded message indicates operations are unavailable “…October 24, 25, 26 and beyond.” The company had a fleet of 26 Cirrus Design SR22 aircraft. The suspension of services was not totally unexpected. Reports from sources in the Greenville area indicate five of the aircraft had been repossessed and did not have engines. Some of those may have been sold. Another report indicates 10 additional aircraft are sitting on the ramp without engines.
Callers to the company’s maintenance operation were referred to the SATSair office which did not answer. A third source said many of the aircraft had “timed out,” referring to the engines, and were awaiting not only engines but an upgrade to the newest aircraft systems now available in newer SR22s. Company officials were not available to confirm the information.
AOPA Pilot reported in 2006 that SATSair had placed 50 firm orders for SR22 aircraft, and held options for an additional 50 aircraft.

Wonder why I am not surprised by this??It all goes back to mgmt!!!!!!!!

 

[BlackPilot628]

Oh well.. Another bites the dust

 

[G-force]

Re:false promises!!!!

Just saw an article posted by someone else that says this outfits closing down is only "temporary",according to the CEO of SATSAir,Inc!!!
I don't think that we can believe him!!!

 

[johnsonrod]

Some of the so-called "best entrepreneurs" out there also happen to be the "worst managers."