Same old same old...

[Diesel]

I wonder if NJW will be taking the early out from FI?

NJW's daily prayer. http://www.youtube.com/user/FlyGirlFlyGirl

 

[petitepilot]

I do not think it is appropriate for a non-pilot, non-union member, to be posting on a public web board, and siting the details of a union agreement.

 

[Caveman]

Thanks for the kind words, Sir... Based on their behavior for the past 5 years, I do think the majority of the NJ pilots will do their part to show solidarity to their fellow pilots and to make the Joint Preventive Measures an example worth following. Given their track record, I can't see the pilotgroup throwing in the towel just because times are tough. NJW

Wow. You really don't have any idea how the world works do you? Your old man ain't in the Air Force any more honey. That solidarity and camaraderie that exists in the military does not apply in the civilian world. Most pilots at any airline or any fractional will do the right thing if everyone else is participating. i.e.: Most will not pick up open time when guys are furloughed. We'll pay for COBRA for furloughed pilots. We will agree to smaller line values if it will keep everybody working. However, if there is an option to participate or not to participate and there won't be any condemnation either way, MOST guys are going to keep on working as if nothing ever happened. There will always be a few that take advantage of early outs, LOAs, reduced schedules, etc. Make no mistake though, they aren't doing it out of 'brotherhood'. They're doing it because it fits their own unique circumstances and that's it.

I wouldn't count on an overwhelming collective response to NJA's efforts to mitigate furloughs if I were you unless any steps taken are mandatory and not voluntary. Sorry, to be the bearer of bad news, but welcome to the real world.

 

[netjetwife]

Cave, my family has directed benefited from the "brotherhood" you claim doesn't exist at NJA. Again, my thanks to the pilots who supported the bypass pay effort; your concern for others got 118 of the FOs off of the (then) sub-par wages. Those pilots no longer assigned to 1 of the 5 domiciles are likewise appreciative that IBB passed even though the most junior on the list also gained the most. NJASAP (formerly 1108) apparently doesn't match your union experience, Cave. It's no coincidence that the movement which created their solidarity was called StrongUnion. The NJ pilots truly understand that they are the Union and are the strongest when they stand together. They are well aware of how other groups operate and chose not to follow that path. They also developed a working relationship with the Company that few other aviation unions enjoy. The NJ pilotgroup decided to turn their back on your "real" world and create their own--NJASAP.

I think that the Preventive Measures which NJASAP helped design are attractive enough to appeal to many NJ employees (it's not just for pilots) and could have a significant cumulative affect. They will realize that this isn't just about avoiding furloughs. In this unparalleled (for NJA) economic downturn, it is in everyone's best interest to stand together as a company if they want to remain the fractional leader. The pilots have a lot of experience working together for a common goal so it is logical to anticipate that they will do their part to keep NJA/I strong. As an added benefit, they will be helping to save jobs in the process. Thus, I think the majority will participate voluntarily.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Nothing equitable about this slow down so far. I've never been so current in my career and yet I keep running into folks who are staying home, getting sent home so early, and getting bed sores in the hotels. There most be more because these are just the ones who occassionally turn up in the FBOs telling me this.

I'm paid to go out every other week, but I would sure appreciate "duty at residence."
Guess I got to relocate to East BF to get that.

Any grudges previously held against those who opted out are hereby recinded

 

[RNObased]

Nothing equitable about this slow down so far. I've never been so current in my career and yet I keep running into folks who are staying home, getting sent home so early, and getting bed sores in the hotels. There most be more because these are just the ones who occassionally turn up in the FBOs telling me this.

I'm paid to go out every other week, but I would sure appreciate "duty at residence."
Guess I got to relocate to East BF to get that.

Any grudges previously held against those who opted out are hereby recinded

Lord,
It is all in what jet you fly. Bigger cabin aircraft ie; owners with deeper pockets and a airplane that is a up grade, are working like normal. I have been sent home early twice, because it made sense, plane gone to new crew, etc. That is it.

I just shake my head when people tell me about every other tour at home. Must be nice. This will change for the most part when the buyouts are done, possibly. Some fleets are just plain over staffed for demand.

Nice to see you are no longer holding grudges.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

I'm paid to go out every other week, but I would sure appreciate "duty at residence."
Guess I got to relocate to East BF to get that.

Always been that way. Cut back in scheduling!

 

[gutshotdraw]

It will take a while for the departures of early outs and LOA's to be felt. NJ'ers saw how many NJI people are departing the pattern. Crew Resources won't be finished plugging holes and letting people go until December.

 

[RNObased]

It will take a while for the departures of early outs and LOA's to be felt. NJ'ers saw how many NJI people are departing the pattern. Crew Resources won't be finished plugging holes and letting people go until December.

I was told the G whiz's won't be backfilled for a while. Now what that means is anyone's guess.

 

[gutshotdraw]

We were already somewhat overstaffed even before the downturn (I'll leave the reasons alone) so I doubt any of the attrition will be re-filled. So far, only G-IV's and future delivery positions of 450/550's are being sold. If the fleet size does shrink, people way above my pay grade will be having lots of meetings...