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Ryan Air Captain Gets lost over Rome

DUBLINFLYER

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A RYANAIR captain involved in a serious incident during a thunderstorm was psychologically unfit to fly, and his co-pilot couldn't navigate the plane properly, a probe has found.
The captain, a Polish national, had attended the funeral of his infant son only a few days previously and told investigators he didn't take extra leave because he feared losing his job.
The inexperienced Dutch co-pilot was entering severe weather for the first time in his 475 flying hours, of which just 300 hours had been spent in the cockpit of this type of plane, a Boeing 737.
Rome air traffic controllers were also blamed for failing to give the crew timely warnings of weather changes and using confusing phraseology.
The captain has since left Ryanair, while the co-pilot has since been promoted to captain. The flight got lost in its attempts to land at Rome's Fiumicino airport after it aborted an attempt to land at another Rome airport, Ciampino, during a thunderstorm.
Air traffic controllers were forced to intervene to prevent the possibility of mid-air collisions, the air accident investigators' report concluded.
The incident happened on a flight to Rome from Niederrhein in Germany in September 2005, but the report by Italian air investigators has only just been published.
Ryanair yesterday denied that the man would have been sacked if he had taken extra leave to get over the death of his son.
But Irish Airline Pilots Association president Evan Cullen said: "The very fact that an individual at the front line of a safety critical industry, is operating in fear of losing his job so soon after the death of his child raises serious concerns about the ability of the Irish Aviation Authority to regulate this industry."

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/grieving-pilot-got-lost-landing-plane-1777611.html
 

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A RYANAIR captain involved in a serious incident during a thunderstorm was psychologically unfit to fly, and his co-pilot couldn't navigate the plane properly, a probe has found.
The captain, a Polish national, had attended the funeral of his infant son only a few days previously and told investigators he didn't take extra leave because he feared losing his job.
The inexperienced Dutch co-pilot was entering severe weather for the first time in his 475 flying hours, of which just 300 hours had been spent in the cockpit of this type of plane, a Boeing 737.
Rome air traffic controllers were also blamed for failing to give the crew timely warnings of weather changes and using confusing phraseology.
The captain has since left Ryanair, while the co-pilot has since been promoted to captain. The flight got lost in its attempts to land at Rome's Fiumicino airport after it aborted an attempt to land at another Rome airport, Ciampino, during a thunderstorm.
Air traffic controllers were forced to intervene to prevent the possibility of mid-air collisions, the air accident investigators' report concluded.
The incident happened on a flight to Rome from Niederrhein in Germany in September 2005, but the report by Italian air investigators has only just been published.
Ryanair yesterday denied that the man would have been sacked if he had taken extra leave to get over the death of his son.
But Irish Airline Pilots Association president Evan Cullen said: "The very fact that an individual at the front line of a safety critical industry, is operating in fear of losing his job so soon after the death of his child raises serious concerns about the ability of the Irish Aviation Authority to regulate this industry."

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/grieving-pilot-got-lost-landing-plane-1777611.html

The FO had 475 hours but now he's a Captain!
 

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This raises so many red flags I feel like I'm flying into the sunset.
 

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The FO had 475 hours but now he's a Captain!

I had the same thought initially, but then as I read that it happened 4 years ago, that would be plenty of time to get the experience and upgrade. It is sad that it took 4 years for the info to get out about this flight and about the intimidation that is evidently going on at Ryanair. Hope it causes enough uproar to stop it.
 

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The First Officer was flying a 737 with 175 hours TT? WTF-O?
 

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Ryanair is NOT the Air Force or the Navy.

Scares the crap out of me every time I have to get on Ryan or slEasy.

If anything ever really hits the fan on board one of those planes, everyone'll be d*mned lucky to live through it. The bottom line safety net in these operations is the automation and standardization.

Just sad...
 

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Ryanair is NOT the Air Force or the Navy.

No one in the AF or Navy is paying for the flight. Military service cannot be logically compared with civilian air transportation.
 

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I don't think much of the idea of him upgrading 4 years later, either. At 500hrs hard time per year that puts him at a whopping 2500hrs. Between these practices and the MCL, they are really pushing the envelope and placing a big bet that the automation and mechanical reliability will prevail.

We just had a Captain die enroute today, and they continue down this road with inexperience.
 

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I don't think much of the idea of him upgrading 4 years later, either. At 500hrs hard time per year that puts him at a whopping 2500hrs. Between these practices and the MCL, they are really pushing the envelope and placing a big bet that the automation and mechanical reliability will prevail.

We just had a Captain die enroute today, and they continue down this road with inexperience.
Anybody want to bet how much of that time is actually FLYING an airplane. Lets just say I would not want my wife and kids in the back of that dude's plane.
 

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The First Officer was flying a 737 with 175 hours TT? WTF-O?

when i was at ryan INT'L(the ryan on this side of the pond) we had numerous B727-fo's with under 300 total time, and all of those were under 40 hours multi-engine time. i guess the ryan's were the place to be!
 

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Why don't the insurance companies care? If I try to insure a light aircraft, they ask all sorts of questions about hours and set requirements for coverage.
 

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MPL=bad idea

Happens in the AF and Navy.


Not only is the AF/Navy not the airlines, but mil pilots are heavily screened and go through an extermely thorough and intense training program.


This is CLEAR PROOF that the Multi pilot license (MPL) is a BAD IDEA!!! Not only is it dangerous, but it cheapens the profession.
 

dugan jones

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Not only is the AF/Navy not the airlines, but mil pilots are heavily screened and go through an extermely thorough and intense training program.


This is CLEAR PROOF that the Multi pilot license (MPL) is a BAD IDEA!!! Not only is it dangerous, but it cheapens the profession.


the guys at ryan int'l flying right seat in 727's were not on a MPL they were flying on a commercial licence and upgraded after putting a year in sideways
 

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AF/Navy guys are superior pilots when compared to their civilian counterparts. That is why they can pull this off.
 

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AF/Navy guys are superior pilots when compared to their civilian counterparts. That is why they can pull this off.

Does that mean that your skill level has declined since becoming a civilian pilot verses if you had stayed in the service??
 
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