Rumor or Not? ASA 65 ERJ's

["GO AROUND"]

Mcpickle might be a dumbass for that statement, or he may have forgotten to "log out" somewhere.

BUT Mr. GO AROUND, your response was just as impressive! If your going to make stupid statements like "F*ck the COEX pilots", remember, there are nearly 3000 of us.
TREAD LIGHTLY!

Forgotten to log out? He said it and if you feel the same then the statement applies to you. I'm from Houston, have many friends there and I know they don't feel the same so they should not be offended.

I could care less if there is 10000 Coex pilots, whats that got to do with anything?

I took offense at the ignorant shot at ASA pilots. He should pull his head out and think about what he says.

 

[007]

It's official, I 've heard that Expressjet has decided to let Larry Kellner make the final decision. He then said:
"F**k those express guys, we're gonna liquidate the whole lot of them and bring in some kids that like it when I spank them with a paddle"

Following this announcement Expressjet holdings decided to shut down...



Now, we'll all be your reserve bit**es, getting paid half, at whatever airline you work for. Isn't that what most of you wanted to hear?

Go back to staring at your seniority number.

 

[BCpilot81]

I heard quite the opposite. I heard that XJ was going to start flyign 777's under United colors out of Raleigh Durham!

 

[paid4training]

ok. Its my opinion: its a done deal. sorry to irritate you.

Personally I hope it isn't true for the sake of express guy's. I certainly would not want to be in their seats right now. You are right, if express has control of those planes, they can in fact do many things with them, any thing they like. Either way, its not something any of us has ANY control over.

You're also right in that nobody can count on it until the airframes are on the ramp. Thats why I havn't made any moves to sell my house and move to Houston to fly an ERJ for CAL. Not that I would anyway. I'm just fine here in ATL near my family.

Dude now you say..."I hope it isn't true" well dude you are a kcufing TOOL for wishing any loss of flying by another regional. If ASA or whoever is the new WHORE for CAL then it is a sad day in this industry. Anyway I thought you guys where going to feed the Virgin Atlantic America thing? WTF?

 

[paid4training]

a little touchy aren't ya'?

What a kcufing douch bag!!! Hey I heard a rumor that XJT was going to buy ASA/Skyw and make every pilot there FO's at a $5hr!!!! Its a done deal....
A$$HOLE

 

[PBRstreetgang]

for what it's worth i spoke with hiring personel last week and she said SkyWest forecast to hire 400 pilots the rest of this year. with only a few more airplanes from the Delta side coming in to SkyWest maybe management knows something and they aren't telling us with respect to more airplanes coming in. 400 new hires with only a few planes on the schedule coming in doesn't seem to add up.

Welll,
UAL is recalling 200+ furloughees, combined with some attrition, added to the airframes coming as planned, seems to add up to the projected amount. So put your micro-schlong back ito the wrapper, you ain't gonna get a wank off of this rumour.
PBR

 

[goahead]

I fly for ASA and have many friends at CoEx from flight instructing days, not my flying and I don't want it but I don't have any control over it.........THESE ARE THE FACTS
Many ASA guys feel this way, but only 8 out of the rouge ten on this board agree with me.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Dude now you say..."I hope it isn't true" well dude you are a kcufing TOOL for wishing any loss of flying by another regional. If ASA or whoever is the new WHORE for CAL then it is a sad day in this industry. Anyway I thought you guys where going to feed the Virgin Atlantic America thing? WTF?

Easy there instructor boy. I understand you got a hard on to work at Coex and all. But you and Mcignorant think that ASA pilots have any say in proposals for flying that the CEO of the company we work for bids on from CAL? Wake up. Do you think we could just stand up and say that we don't want to fly this or that cause it will impact Coex pilots? Get a clue.

The fact that this concept cannot be understood is beyond me.

 

[Tomct]

If this rumor is true, I AM NOT PROUD of IT!! We are taking Express Jets flying and that is NOT right! I don't want to be known as a WH0R#. This is NOT good news! I hope that it is not true. Sorry Express Jet!

 

["GO AROUND"]

Tomct,

How are you or I taking Coex flying? CAL is giving it to someone cheaper just like DAL or any other major will if it is cheaper. Any way you look at it it sucks for anyone. But for you or anyone to say we are wh*res if we end up with it, is assinine. You gonna quit or refuse to fly it? I will choose to stay on the CRJ and not fly the ERJ if it happens but that is the extent that I have control over.

All we as pilots can do is hold the line and force managment to find other ways to cut costs! They try to put it off on us cause it's the easiest and quickest cut. Screw em all! They get the big bucks and bonuses so let them work a little harder.

End of Rant.

 

[Crash Pad]

I have a pilot ethics question:

I know I'm not supposed to want express jet flying. Taking jobs, whore, bottom feeder, etc... That is clear.

I know if ASA gets 60+ aircraft I will upgrade and my income will double. Improving the life of myself and family. I know in a capitalist society I should value money. I can get away with not valuing money if I value my family. Those 60+ aircraft should help with one of the items a pilot values.

So my question is. Whenever an airline is awarded aircraft in a competative bid system how are we supposed to react. Happy for ourselves and family or should we resign because my upgrade is another mans furlough?

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

I have a pilot ethics question:

I know I'm not supposed to want express jet flying. Taking jobs, whore, bottom feeder, etc... That is clear.

I know if ASA gets 60+ aircraft I will upgrade and my income will double. Improving the life of myself and family. I know in a capitalist society I should value money. I can get away with not valuing money if I value my family. Those 60+ aircraft should help with one of the items a pilot values.

So my question is. Whenever an airline is awarded aircraft in a competative bid system how are we supposed to react. Happy for ourselves and family or should we resign because my upgrade is another mans furlough?

Very well-said.

Here's the bottom line:

In a capitalist society, "ethics" is a concept promoted for the working class. However, any presumption that the ruling class (lawmakers, upper management, and the very wealthy) will be guided by them, is a falacy. This serves to keep the workers under control by providing a distraction: they are constantly battling small issues amongst themselves while the "leaders" are stealing the whole pie.

So, here we are fighting over a dollar-an-hour wage, while whole airlines are being pillaged for billions in income for a select few.

 

[av8tor4239]

You are not a whore if you keep the standards high by voting for a fair and industry leading contract. You must be willing to risk it all. If you are not willing to risk it all, and you are willing to take pay cuts and work rule cuts to get new flying when your company is making money left and right then you are a whore. It is not your job to bid on flying, nor is it your job to take concessions for growth. If managment wants new airplanes let them take the pay cuts to get them.

If you vote to take concessions for growth you are a whore. YOu are not a whore if your company aquires new airframes. whether they came from the factory or another company.

 

[~~~^~~~]

^^^^^

Agreed - that is how our union should approach this as well, but they have the Delta boys underbidding us.

Whether or not the E145 ever comes to ASA, I'll do my best to avoid performing COEX's flying. Best way to really win the race for the bottom is to stay home on race day.

 

[Mmmmmm Burritos]

^^^^^

Agreed - that is how our union should approach this as well, but they have the Delta boys underbidding us.

Whether or not the E145 ever comes to ASA, I'll do my best to avoid performing COEX's flying. Best way to really win the race for the bottom is to stay home on race day.

That's what you say now... but if it turns out to be doing naps in ATL vs. 3 on/4 off in IAH, I bet you'll be changing your mind!

 

[cushman_500]

can't be a wh0r# if you aren't willing to take a paycut for the flying

 

[737 Pylt]

^^^^^

Agreed - that is how our union should approach this as well, but they have the Delta boys underbidding us.

Do you ever get tired of slamming the DL guys? I think you need help! Worry about your own underbidding that's gonna happen when SKYW management gets through with you!

Whether or not the E145 ever comes to ASA, I'll do my best to avoid performing COEX's flying. Best way to really win the race for the bottom is to stay home on race day.

OK, so you'll avoid taking COEX's flying, but you have no problem taking flying away from DL? That makes you the biggest hypocrite!
737

 

[Mmmmmm Burritos]

Do you ever get tired of slamming the DL guys? I think you need help! Worry about your own underbidding that's gonna happen when SKYW management gets through with you!




OK, so you'll avoid taking COEX's flying, but you have no problem taking flying away from DL? That makes you the biggest hypocrite!
737

You sir hit the nail on the head and drove it right through the board. Haha!

 

[Crash Pad]

Whether or not the E145 ever comes to ASA, I'll do my best to avoid performing COEX's flying. Best way to really win the race for the bottom is to stay home on race day.

Ok so you aren't physically in a E145. Say your seniority moves up so you can hold one of those 19 day off monsters. Say you use some of those continental travel bennies. You are still benefiting from the so called "race".

So I guess the answer to the ethics question is. If you did nothing other than go to work and do your job and airplanes from another company show up.... Then you can crack the bubbly and smile all the way to the bank. If you take a paycut or tilt the table to get the planes then... You should be ashamed of yourself.

So this is where we are at. Well ALPA I have never felt better in the "brotherhood". Hey SKYW if you are out there. Come join the brotherhood. We'll take your flying in the most polite of ways. We invite you to do the same to us.

 

[~~~^~~~]

OK, so you'll avoid taking COEX's flying, but you have no problem taking flying away from DL? That makes you the biggest hypocrite!
737

There is a huge difference. The COEX pilots had no voice in outsourcing their flying. ALPA prohibited them from negotiating their own scope, just as it stopped our effort at ASA to negotiate scope at Delta.

The Delta pilots negotiated and ratified a program of outsourcing to offset higher wages at mainline. The Delta pilots sold their flying. After selling your flying it no longer belongs to you. Just because your career tanked does not mean you get to go and steal your flying back. Even ALPA acknowledges this, as can be seen in the hugely concessionary jets for jobs pay rates, as mainline guys try to buy back their flying.

The only pilots without a dog in this fight are the regional guys, like the COEX pilots - but - it is "their" flying.

Anyone else see the difference between "selling" flying and have it taken from you?

ALPA's philosophy seems to be that all flying is owned by mainline. Mainline can sell it and other ALPA members can fly it, but it is never "theirs" So once flying enters this alter ego world anyone can perform it, no one can scope it and the lowest price wins the race for the bottom.

 

[~~~^~~~]

That's what you say now... but if it turns out to be doing naps in ATL vs. 3 on/4 off in IAH, I bet you'll be changing your mind!

I like naps, they are pretty much 3 on, 4 off, in Atlanta. I'm home every day! The BBQ baked potato in IAH is pretty good, but not worth the trip.

So what do you say now? I thought I nailed the 737FO, RJ Captain wanna be guy.

 

[737 Pylt]

There is a huge difference. The COEX pilots had no voice in outsourcing their flying. ALPA prohibited them from negotiating their own scope, just as it stopped our effort at ASA to negotiate scope at Delta.

Again, more lies from you...Negotiate your own scope! The only difference is that you try and twist it to make a difference!

The Delta pilots negotiated and ratified a program of outsourcing to offset higher wages at mainline. After selling your flying it no longer belongs to you. Just because your career tanked does not mean you get to go and steal your flying back. Even ALPA acknowledges this, as can be seen in the hugely concessionary jets for jobs pay rates, as mainline guys try to buy back their flying.

Your hang up with the J4J program seems like it should be with the US Airways folks, not DL, but then your misguided hatred would be all out of whack! Just so we are on the same page, my career has not "tanked" by any means. This is still the greates job in the world. The pay has definately come down, and needs to come back up, but again, more lies from you! Nobody is trying to "buy back flying," just trying not to let more of it slip away, just another way of you to "twist the truth."

The only pilots without a dog in this fight are the regional guys, like the COEX pilots - but - it is "their" flying.

Anyone else see the difference between "selling" flying and have it taken from you?

You're ASSuming that its "their" flying, but do you know the specifics of their PWA?? Probably not, but its better just to lie about it!
We didn't "sell our flying." No flying is for sale. ALL DL flying is subject to the DL pilots' PWA, its just that simple. You don't have to like it. Maybe you could file a lawsuit about it!

ALPA's philosophy seems to be that all flying is owned by mainline. Mainline can sell it and other ALPA members can fly it, but it is never "theirs" So once flying enters this alter ego world anyone can perform it, no one can scope it and the lowest price wins the race for the bottom.

Is it really ALPA's philosophy, or some misguided lie propogated by a supporter of an organization trying to bankrupt my union! The race to the bottom is a result of certain MEC's agreeing to the cuts. It is majority rule, and the pilots of those different unions approved the cuts with a majority rule. Maybe you should try suiing them! Again, seems like your fight is not with the DL MEC, but your brethren pilots! But I expect more lies and hatred for the DL pilot group from you!
737

 

[foreverfo]

It humors me that the guy that started this thread hasn't replied in a couple of pages...he must be laughing at the rukus he has started stirring this pot!! Nothing will be known till Sept...so until then, bail!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Negotiate your own scope!

OK - how? ALPA will not let a "regional" pilot negotiate scope within the brand. If you know the secret to stop all of this alter ego bidding on each other's flying, please share it with the rest of us.

 

[ERfly]

It humors me that the guy that started this thread hasn't replied in a couple of pages...he must be laughing at the rukus he has started stirring this pot!! Nothing will be known till Sept...so until then, bail!

Amen!! The absolute last day we can let Continental know what we're doing with the airplanes is Sept. 30, 2006. I'm almost certain no one will know anything until that day. Why does everyone wish harm on ExpressJet? What did we do?

 

[jayme]

Who's wishing harm upon you?

 

[Meiguy]

Cal sucks anyway. You can have the freakin flying as long as you find 69 planes to use. I'm sure someone will be able to and then they can fly for Cal for free. Thats the price that they wanted us to work for. What other company tells another company that provides a service to them that they want them to work for zero margin. I don't blame Ream for telling LK to go *&%$ himself. Personally I would like to see a branch out from Cal. All 69 planes don't have to go to the same place. Maybe some will still fly for Cal, some to the desert, some over the the Europe thing or Fractional. I don't freakin know. All I do know is that branching out away from strictly mainline feeders is the way to go. Who knows. I hope Ream keeps his mouth shut till the last day of September. I think one thing this whole situation did do is open up the eyes of are management. They realize now that our relationship with Cal isn't as rosy as they thought and is forcing them to look at new and different options to make money regardless of how they do it. This I think in the long run will benefit us regardless of what happens to these 69 planes.

 

[AdamKooper]

I have also heard this rumor today. Might have been from the same person on the ramp but I did hear people talking about it. Just an FYI

 

[Silent Partner]

friend of mine in the ASA class said BL talked to them this morning and said we (ASA) put in a bid but won't know anything in a few months? I think he said months. Also......16 705's coming and ASA thinks we are getting them but so does skywest. So take it for what it's worth.

 

[Silent Partner]

sorry in two weeks. Oh what exactly makes a pilot group a whore? Is it the pilot group or management? So if and a "BIG" if ASA gets this flying are we going to be seen as another Mesa? Just wondering. I just fly to where they tell me to as does everyone else who flies for an airline.