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On the other hand, RTS may be planning to NOT extend the agreement the extra 3 years and doesn't care whether the 85% target is met thereby keeping NJI a non-union shop.


All I DO know is that NJI management is keeping any information they do have on the issue very close to the vest.[/quote]

The single carrier petition goes forward either way next year.
 
Sctt@NJA said:
There is a misunderstanding here. These penalties don't come into effect if the company fails to extend the contract past 2012. If the company fails to meet 85% or otherwise opts to not extend, then there are no penalties attached other than not being able to extend the duration.

These penalties come into effect if the company does meet the targets, opts to extend the contract duration, THEN fails to maintain the 85% in the following years.
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This language sounds unbelievably complex, however, if the 85% is met by the ever increasing oceanic flying being done by NJA on the Falcons and would INCLUDE the flying being done by IBT1108 members on the GIV's then the 85% target is met WITHOUT the non-union NJI pilots becoming members of the 1108. In other words nothing is gained or lost by this language on either side of the table. You'd have to extrapolate the level of Trans-oceanic flying being done now on the NJA fleet vs the NJI fleet, 5 years out to come up with even a WAG. QED
 
The 85% thing shuld be the first indication that the "Boss Man" in willing to surrender NJI to NJA.

Of course there is one, very important condition that will also be met that will allow all those invoivled to "save face".
 
DO-82 driver said:
The 85% thing shuld be the first indication that the "Boss Man" in willing to surrender NJI to NJA.

Of course there is one, very important condition that will also be met that will allow all those invoivled to "save face".
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And that is?
 
DO-82 driver said:
The 85% thing shuld be the first indication that the "Boss Man" in willing to surrender NJI to NJA.

Of course there is one, very important condition that will also be met that will allow all those invoivled to "save face".
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I do not see this as an indication that RTS is willing to surrender NJI to the union at all. Although that, very well, may be the future of NJI, this is certainly no indicator of a willingness on the part of the "Boss Man" to surrender anything. I view this as a chess game, of sorts, each move may appear to be a clue to a certain goal and yet ,in fact, be progress towards an entirely different outcome. Of course there is one way to find out! Vote for the changes and let the ivories fly!
 
gutshotdraw said:
NJW, I'm not sure what the motivation may be to remain silent but I do know one thing: If (or apparently when) the pilot seniority list integration occurs, I can only hope that day-to-day control for the Gulfstream operation remains in Hilton Head. Some may complain that it is a duplication of fixed costs but, like it or not, utilization, efficiency, operational income, and most importantly, crew quality of life have been GREATLY improved since the NOC was established in Okatie. Union shop or not, I most certainly DO NOT want CMH running (ruining?) my working life again.
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GSD,

IF, it does happen, it would be one seniority list, one contract, and the affiliates with remain as is (NJA, NJLA, NJI, and EJM).

All my best,
 
Wow EJM? Now I'm surprised at that because their individual owners decide on everything from pay to QOL. Thats why there are some great EJM accts and some really crappy ones.

Never even thought about ejm though.
 
You're right, Diesel. By the nature of its operation, EJM cannot and will not ever be a part of the union. Beyond that, we'll just have to wait and see.
 
Diesel said:
Wow EJM? Now I'm surprised at that because their individual owners decide on everything from pay to QOL. Thats why there are some great EJM accts and some really crappy ones.

Never even thought about ejm though.
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Diesel,

EJM pilots will remain as they are today. The flying completed by EJM with NetJets owners/cardholders will [continue] be calculated within the Scope provisions of the collective bargaining agreement - including the 85% of international flying (IRM's).

I truly believe a lot will unfold in 2008 and all NetJets pilots will benefit short and long term. It is far more important to capture new opportunities, rather than fight over what we have. Let's keep looking 10, 20, and 30 years down the road.

Best,
 
Personally,

I'm just ready to get the crap over with so we all can get back to living our lives.... ya know, the fun stuff??

Boys and Girls, trust me on this one.

If you spend enough time walking around in a sewer.... Your gonna stink when you leave!
 
EJM pilots will remain as they are today. The flying completed by EJM with NetJets owners/cardholders will [continue] be calculated within the Scope provisions of the collective bargaining agreement - including the 85% of international flying (IRM's).
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Ahhh said the blind man.
 
wolfpackpilot said:
...If you spend enough time walking around in a sewer.... Your gonna stink when you leave!
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I'm not clear on the meaning of your cryptic remark, but it sounds like many of the anti-union digs the NJ pilots/families often have thrown at them. I've always believed that a group (or individual) should be judged on their own merits, not the actions of others. 1108 has an excellent track record that has nothing to do w/the Teamsters, but the reputation of IBT sticks to them, regardless of how professionally 1108's leaders and members conduct themselves.

It's a frustrating situation and some of the pilots have told me that it doesn't have to be that way, and they don't like sending a big chunk of their due$ to a national organization they don't even identify with. I agree with them. I've never thought of the NJ pilots as Teamsters; I see their group (as many of them do) as being a unique, stand-alone, Strong Union. The NJ pilots could drop the IBT label and be richer for it in my opinion. From what I hear, I'm not alone in that viewpoint.
NJW
 
netjetwife said:
UG, please note that Gutshot and I had no problems understanding one another. I commented on his observation and his response indicated satisfaction w/the exchange. What exactly did you find lacking? Please be specific as to what "question" I failed to answer in his opinion that you quoted:

Originally Posted by gutshotdraw: On the other hand, RTS may be planning to NOT extend the agreement the extra 3 years and doesn't care whether the 85% target is met thereby keeping NJI a non-union shop.
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The financial penalties to which you referred had nothing to do with GSD's observation about NOT extending the agreement. I'm sorry I have to spell it out for you, but there you are. :rolleyes:
 
Duly noted: Sctt@NJA already politely pointed out my misunderstanding numerous posts ago and I thanked him in a PM. My public thanks to both of you for helping correct the error I made. I fully admit that I didn't read closely enough and I urge others to heed those calling for rereading the IBB proposal as many times as it takes to grasp it all. There's a lot of information to think about. That said, I still like my interpretation better...:p However, the fact that 1108's leadership didn't feel the need for a stronger deterrent certainly lends credence to the "done deal" theory about the integration.

Now that we've cleared that up, could you please respond to my post, Grumpy. I'm curious to hear what pilots posting here think about the "rumor" that some are discussing. It looks like 2008 is shaping up to be a very busy year...

Watching the plot thicken,
Netjetwife
 
From my post to Wolfpack: some of the pilots have told me that it doesn't have to be that way (being in Teamsters) and they don't like sending a big chunk of their due$ to a national organization they don't even identify with. ...The NJ pilots could drop the IBT label and be richer for it in my opinion. From what I hear, (granted, some of it is secondhand info) I'm not alone in that viewpoint.

So what do you think of this? Is that slight tremor over at the NJ board the sound of restless pilots getting ready to also vote with their feet after they use a long contract as a springboard to launch an in-house union? I know what I'm hearing and I was just wondering what the rest of you have heard. When you start connecting the dots an interesting post IBB picture of the future starts forming on the page. I'm curious as to how many others see it that way?
 
Hey NJW, youse guys try anything like dat, and youse gonna get a visit...youse know what I'm talkin' about heah? Badda boom. Badda bing.
Fuggedaboutit.
:smash:
 

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