Rough times at United

[jtmpilot]

TIP is for good service and per-diem is for food and entertainment, not required to tip anyone if the service is crap, and not tipping is the only way to get that message across

 

[bustinmins]

- The company requires me to take a van to the hotel
- they company require me to stay at this hotel
- the company makes the arrangements with the hotels (for the cheapest deals probably)
- the company demands what times I have to rest/sleep
- the company arranges for transportation
- I agreed with my company to my employment terms which do NOT include
tipping the van drivers 8 -10 times pr week (assuming 4-5 overnights).

- the van driver is employed by the hotel or some other transportation service
- the van driver agreed to his employment terms
- like the previous post said. It should not be the flight crew but the company that should make sure the van driver is paid properly and not
put that extra "requirement" on the crew.

Ok - I'm open for attacks now......

The only thing missing in your comment is the requirement for him to give up 35% of his earnings, add five years to his expected tenure and then give him 50% of his B-fund all while asking him to work an extra four hours per day.

Good thing you are on the side of labor my friend - you certainly could be a very strong asset to management.

 

[bustinmins]

The key to this whole issue is longer layovers, more pay and an 8-hour drinking rule! Suddenly things become more tolerable. Hmm - who would have known?

XYV

 

[fareview]

I didn't "join" an airline. I was hired by a successful company with great pay/benefits. So, the fact that less than 1% of the pilots at Fedex have shown they have no principles means I should blow off that opportunity? Yeah, I guess the other 4862 pilots who didn't scab should quit on principle.

Nobody is suggesting that the 4500+ fdx pilots should quit OR that you should not have accepted being "hired" at the aforementioned...its just that your high-handedness reveals that you were faced with a choice of not going to FDX out of honorable principle (whether there is one scab or 100...its still a company that has knowingly employed them) OR accepeting the position because of the financial and career ramifications had you not...you chose the dollar as we all would have...just relax on the pontification and preaching...why don't cha...

fv

 

[Sluggo_63]

What do you mean you don't tip, Mr. Pink?

I was thinking the exact same thing.

 

[Weasil]

Why tip the driver if you have to wait on the curb for 20-30 min on an 8hr overnight? Tipping should be for going "above and beyond" your normal duties.
If the van is waiting and the driver puts you bags in the back, they get a tip. If we wait for the driver to show up, or sits in the van while you load your own bags, no tip. If they track your flight on the internet to determine you arrival time, they might get an extra tip for being smart.

AMEN!

 

[Spectre]

WTF is your problem? I am a ball to work with as long as you're not a scab. All I did was bring up the possibility that the UAL pilot, who was the subject of this first post in this thread, might have been a scab. In my experience there, most of the pilots who pulled that kind of crap or some other questionable behavior, ended up being on the scab list. The guy who started the thread wasn't looking to generate a "should we tip or not" discussion. Seemed to me he wanted to throw an indictment toward all UAL pilots just because one idiot stiffed the van driver.

So, the real problem is you have a problem with "prior military fighter pilots". What are you, another frustrated FAIP with a bad attitude? Should have done a little better at UPT - that ain't my fault, Napoleon.

BTW - "threads" are the groups of "posts" on FI. This one is titled "Rough times at United". So, it took 20 "posts" for me to turn the "thread" toward scabs. When you make a statement like, “I'll bet you are a ball to work with” - and you choose to shorten it with a contraction, the "you" and the "are" go together to make "you're" - not "your".

Have a nice day, little man.

With all of these nice union tactics...Threats of slashing tires, checking one's scab lists etc, I think JetBlue is a great place to work without a union! BTW, why don't you take your posts to the "Cargo" section and save us all from reading your hateful threads. YOU'RE not having a nice day.

Tipping is for good, prompt service. Give up that buck when it's deserved and tip extra on holidays.

 

[jtmpilot]

WTF??? over what airline doesnt have a scab working at it???? Im suppose to not work anywhere a scab is employed?? CAL would be liquidated tomorrow if that was the case... they are everywhere and im sure all of them have great reasons for crossing the line, fact is they crossed, no reason is a good reason to buddy F--- your brothers.... take a second mortgage, use cash advances on credit cards... live within your means... refi and cash out on the house... we all have means to make ends meet when faced with adversity, there is no excuse!!!!! period for crossing a line!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Wow, we'll go to our overnight and drink $20 worth of beer, maybe more and maybe less, but $1 each way for maybe 5 trips a month is $10!!! How cheap have we all become? Give the van driver that danm dollar!

 

[jtmpilot]

like all other people who earn a living with TIPS..... earn it and ill give it!!!! period!!!!

 

[Fox-Tree]

I think JetBlue is a great place to work without a union!

Kumbahyah...............Kumbahyah...............

Just one big happy family.

I hope it works out for you. Talk to me when you get your first unilaterally implemented pay cut or work rule change. Unions have some serious warts and issues, no doubt. Eventually (unfortunately), you'll see they are a necessary evil.

 

[SpeedBird]

Fox-Tree, as a former FAIP, I would have had to rank lower in my class to get an F-15 to Bitburg or Camp New Amsterdam (Yes... I just dated myself!).

 

[BiffF15]

Having worked for tips (at 2.01 per hour plus tips) I think there is nothing wrong with not tipping (for poor service). However, there are some jobs where tipping is a large or the largest portion of someone's income. The people using that service (van driver, waitress, bell hop, skycap) should tip based on quality of service and customs (the latter vary by country). To do otherwise is to identify yourself in a negative light, ask that your luggage be lost, your food/drink to be spit on/in, your door key to not work, and for you to be late to the airport and dropped off at the wrong spot.

 

[xjhawk]

where is thismysterious scab list?

 

[AlbieF15]

I look at tipping like this...

First--I'm blessed by God with a great job, financial security, and a job that I love. So--if I cannot be generous I am squandering the gifts I've been provided.

If a guy/gal does a great job, he gets a tip and a big thanks.

If a guy/gal gives is late, slow, or behind, he/she gets a big tip, a thanks, and a silent prayer. I figure their day is worse than mine. Their job is certainly one I would never want...even if they are making 100 bucks a day in tips...

If they are rude, disrespectful, or late.....he/she gets a tip...and a request to have a better day, and remember we need their help. I also tell them how much we DO appreciate it when the CAN help us out...

So--say thanks or "pay it forward..."...life is too short to be cheap and miserable. If you can hold a second class medical you got less problems than a hell of a lot of folks, and if your company ain't treatin' you right then you can use this as a chance to show how YOU think they should be treated.

Just my take...but I'll bet I've gotten those dollars I've given out back many times over by just trying to be a positive force. I have a great job, and my situation may be different than yours--but a generous spirit always seems to come back around.

Read Matthew Chapter 18 vs 22-35. Reread verse 33 a few times. We all gotta chart our own course, but that is what I remember when I'm faced with a tip situation....

 

[skiandsurf]

I look at tipping like this...

First--I'm blessed by God with a great job, financial security, and a job that I love. So--if I cannot be generous I am squandering the gifts I've been provided.

Obviously not an airline pilot.

But I do have an off beat tipping question. I am getting some furniture delivered next week. A couch and a bed. They are supposed to put the bed together...............Do I tip them for their service???? (an honest question).

 

[737 Pylt]

Obviously not an airline pilot.

But I do have an off beat tipping question. I am getting some furniture delivered next week. A couch and a bed. They are supposed to put the bed together...............Do I tip them for their service???? (an honest question).

I had the same thing happen when we moved into our house about 5 yrs ago. 3 guys assembled our furniture (complete bedroom set), and it was a lot to do. I gave them each a $20. I'd say for a couch and bed, depending on the amount of time, at least a $5 spot to a $10 spot.

737

 

[Fox-Tree]

where is thismysterious scab list?

The universal US list is in .pdf format on my computer and hundreds of other pilot's computers too. It gets passed around by those who care. If I thought I could post it, I would but I'm sure that's not allowed. The UAL scab list was provided to me there when I got hired.

 

[Spectre]

The universal US list is in .pdf format on my computer and hundreds of other pilot's computers too. It gets passed around by those who care. If I thought I could post it, I would but I'm sure that's not allowed. The UAL scab list was provided to me there when I got hired.

I let anyone ride on our jumpseats at JetBlue. Even people like you would get a ride because I don't care about your present or past history, what uniform you wear, or what union you do or do not belong to. I do know you are just trying to get to work or back home and I'm glad to help out. I guess if a union gets on the JetBlue property, we'll all be carrying the "list" and denying jumpseats? Yeah, sign us up now!!!

I'm not sure how one defines a SCAB. It's in the dictionary, but I think it has something to do with wounds. However, the most popular "union" definition is someone who crosses a picket line to go to work while others are on strike or doing some sort of work stoppage. This would break your brotherhood, your solidarity and thus hurt your overall effectiveness of getting better compensation, benefits, or work rules. Using this definition, you should add all of your ALPA members who voted to break your collective agreements which resulted in furloughs, lost pensions, lost pay, and lost benefits. As an observation, this has hurt unions more than any one or two pilots who crossed a picket line...

 

[Fox-Tree]

I let anyone ride on our jumpseats at JetBlue. Even people like you would get a ride because I don't care about your present or past history, what uniform you wear, or what union you do or do not belong to. I do know you are just trying to get to work or back home and I'm glad to help out. I guess if a union gets on the JetBlue property, we'll all be carrying the "list" and denying jumpseats? Yeah, sign us up now!!!

I'm not sure how one defines a SCAB. It's in the dictionary, but I think it has something to do with wounds. However, the most popular "union" definition is someone who crosses a picket line to go to work while others are on strike or doing some sort of work stoppage. This would break your brotherhood, your solidarity and thus hurt your overall effectiveness of getting better compensation, benefits, or work rules. Using this definition, you should add all of your ALPA members who voted to break your collective agreements which resulted in furloughs, lost pensions, lost pay, and lost benefits. As an observation, this has hurt unions more than any one or two pilots who crossed a picket line...

Your lack of knowledge in this area is laughable. You have no union so, I guess that's okay.

A scab definition is pretty cut and dry. You can try to include questionable decisions and actions by those voting in a union but you'd be wrong. The majority vote of a union may not be popular with those in the minority, but those are the breaks. There is no way you can equate an attempt on the part of union members to minimize damage to their contract during the 9-11 fall-out to being a scab.

A scab is someone who crosses a legal picket line and attempts to take over the jobs of those out on a legal strike. They are scum. We're also talking about a lot more than "one or two pilots". There are hundreds at UAL and CAL that still work there. There are former Eastern scabs throughout the industry. Some crossed because they had what they thought was a good reason. There were some who were already pilots at the airline and who thought they were "saving the airline" or just couldn't do without the $$. During the UAL strike, others (the worst scum) came from other airlines, already qualified in UAL aircraft, knowing they were being hired as strike-breakers. There was no way UAL would have hired them under normal conditions. Most had "issues" and skeletons that never would have allowed them to be hired under normal conditions. They were promised super seniority and knew if they were successful, they would have stripped the striking UAL pilots of their jobs. They knew the score and dove in head first.

You can pass judgment from your sheltered perspective if you want. Until you've watched such scum attempt to take your job and your family's future from you, maybe you need to leave judgment on this issue to those who've been in the battle (or has at least those who have taken the time to educate themselves on the history of this issue).