RJDC Litigation Update 06-12-07

[Exskydiverdrivr]

acrap quote-The RJDC is also actively recruiting all pilots without a college degree ....

Aren't you glad Mommy and Daddy paid for all that college? Now you can sit back and point your widdle finger and blame others.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

everyone who has been an open advocate of this organization or the lawsuit should be expelled from the Association as soon as this is dismissed on summary judgment

Do you really think ALPA would try this? After all we are talking about the same ALPA that let Continental and the ex-Eastern SC*BS back INTO the union. And huh... those guys actually crossed the picket line to fly airplanes.

At least these mis-guided RJ pilots are trying the courtroom approach.

My .02 cents

 

[PCL_128]

Do you really think ALPA would try this?

No, but I can dream can't I?

After all we are talking about the same ALPA that let Continental and the ex-Eastern SC*BS back INTO the union. And huh... those guys actually crossed the picket line to fly airplanes.

Actually, the EAL SCABs were not let back into the union. We had a couple of them at PCL and they were not allowed membership. The CAL SCABs were allowed back, but that was only because they made up such a large portion of the CAL pilot group that the only way we could get enough votes to pass the merger with the IACP was to allow them back in. It was a tough decisions, from what I've heard from the guys involved at the time. If you denied entry to the CAL SCABs, then you wouldn't be able to get the good CAL pilots back that wanted to be ALPA members again. If you let the SCABs back in, then it's a credibility problem. Tough decision, but I think they did the right thing. I think Occam was a BOD member at the time the decision was made, so he might be able to elaborate.

At least these mis-guided RJ pilots are trying the courtroom approach.

They aren't "misguided." They're selfish and short-sighted.

 

[Occam's Razor]

If you denied entry to the CAL SCABs, then you wouldn't be able to get the good CAL pilots back that wanted to be ALPA members again. If you let the SCABs back in, then it's a credibility problem. Tough decision, but I think they did the right thing. I think Occam was a BOD member at the time the decision was made, so he might be able to elaborate.

You got it.

The decision boiled down to this:

Is your hatred of the scabs greater than your loyalty to the faithful ALPA members who were full-term strikers? Maybe it's a "Marine thing", but Semper Fi means you don't leave your buddies on the battlefield. Scabs are beneath my contempt. The loyal strikers are my heros.

Honor the warriors.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You make a good point, but the lawsuit does not prevent ALPA from doing the right thing. In fact, ALPA can destroy the litigation by doing the right thing and making the RJDC irrelevant.

Again..The RJDC is making ALPA liable for market forces and actions of the company. The deal is.. the RJDC will have a very difficult time sueing DAL Corp and an even more difficult time sueing market forces...

Scope is an agreement between ALPA & DAL Corp... is DAL Corp being sued by the RJDC???????

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The RJDC figured airline management would blast them with both barrells since the result of RJDC's reforms would make ALPA a whole lot more effective and cohesive. At one point it looked like Delta would be a named defendant to the litigation, because obviously they would have been brought to the table with anything that developed between the pilots all three wholly owned subsidiaries.

Not to mention DAL's deep pockets...

This subject deserves its own thread - but I have ideas on how both labor and management could benefit from career stability. For starters, the pay scales need to be adjusted to remove the low low wages at the bottom and the very top. Big money should follow big productivity.

Agreed! The key to success is productivity... However by eliminating the top scales you are going to piss off everyone. Pilots are not socialist... they are greedy capitalist... They all want to wipe the brow of Gordon Geeko...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Occam - you may be getting this out of context. PCL's point was there was NOTHING ALPA could do to avoid litigation. I simply pointed out if ALPA would reform there would be no reason for pilots to continue to fund the litigation.

The Court has decided the case has merit to go forward.

Reform via litigation...please.... it is going to take a bloddy revolution....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well, we can't make them stop. The only party to the litigation we have any control over is ALPA.

cause it was pragmatic to sue DAL corp or makert focres... so you went for the only practical target..... sueing your brother???

 

[737 Pylt]

Do you really think ALPA would try this? After all we are talking about the same ALPA that let Continental and the ex-Eastern SC*BS back INTO the union. And huh... those guys actually crossed the picket line to fly airplanes.

At least these mis-guided RJ pilots are trying the courtroom approach.

My .02 cents

Wolfpakpilot:
You're mistaken.....
The difference is/was, at least the Eastern scabs waited until there was a strike before trying to take other peoples' jobs....

737

 

[Nevets]

Ford-Cooksey Lawsuit Settled

On Monday, June 16, a federal district judge in New York approved the settlement in the Ford-Cooksey case. This is the lawsuit originally brought by pilots at Comair and ASA more than seven years ago challenging negotiation of the scope clause in the Delta collective bargaining agreement.

As you know, in October, the ALPA Executive Board approved the settlement. The main feature of the settlement is an addition to ALPA Policy that will require appointment of a Scope Subcommittee of the Collective Bargaining Committee. This subcommittee will have two main functions: One function is to review and analyze ALPA’s approach to scope issues and to make sure that our scope clauses are effective in protecting pilot jobs. The second is to work with Negotiating Committees during scope negotiations to make sure there is coordination between ALPA pilot groups within airline families with respect to scope negotiations.

The settlement will go into effect 30 days from last Monday. During the next few weeks the members of the new Scope Subcommittee will be designated, and will begin preparation for their important work.

 

[Nevets]

AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
105TH REGULAR EXECUTIVE COUNCIL MEETING

August 19−21, 2008

SUBJECT
Appointments to the Scope Subcommittee

SOURCE
President John Prater

BACKGROUND INFORMATION
The Scope Subcommittee was established by the Executive Board in October 2007, as part of a settlement agreement in the Ford-Cooksey litigation. The effective date of the settlement was July 16, 2008.

Appointments to the Scope Subcommittee are mad by the President, subject to confirmation by the Executive Council. Captain Andy Nordgren (EGL), Captain Jim Van Sickle (NWA), and Captain Tim Brown (UAL) have been appointed as members of the Scope Subcommittee, requiring Executive Council review.

PROPOSED RESOLUTION
1 To be developed.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Eagle, NWA (read DAL) and UAL????

No ASA or CMR pilots???? No RJDC guys on the committee??? No Joe Merchant or N number guy???


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