Rival carriers will bid for ATA's Midway hub

[FLB717]

Lowecur,
For a analist wana be look a little closer my electonic media friend and you will notice that we are not pullling any flights, or service from ATL. The growth in MDW or other parts will shift the % of flight that fly from ATL from 70% to 55% based on increased flights at other locations, not a reduction in ATL. So no you will not see gates opening for JBLU based on a reduction of AAI flying.

 

[ATA73Pilot]

Thanks...that's more info then we are receiving.

As best as I can figure...the best some of us can hope for w/ AAI is an interview with consideration given to previous experience.

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur,
For a analist wana be look a little closer my electonic media friend and you will notice that we are not pullling any flights, or service from ATL. The growth in MDW or other parts will shift the % of flight that fly from ATL from 70% to 55% based on increased flights at other locations, not a reduction in ATL. So no you will not see gates opening for JBLU based on a reduction of AAI flying.

Sorry FLB, I don't buy that logic. There just won't be enough a/c to build MDW up and keep ATL as busy.

 

[Ty Webb]

We'll go slowly for you here, LowIQer . . . .. That's . . why . . . we're doing . . . the . . . . wet . . . . lease . . . deal. So we don't . . . have to reduce service other than the normal Q1 reduction.

That is also why we are upping the number of aircraft deliveries in 2005 to 21.

I don't doubt that we will reduce some underperforming routes, but that doesn't mean less ATL flying or gate usage. I don;t think you'll see other aircraft in the south part of Concourse C.

Besides, JB left ATL not because of gate problems, but they couldn't make any money competing against Delta AND AirTran (our LAX subservice thru Ryan was a curve they hadn't anticipated).

Now, I know this doesn't do anything for your EMB stock, but that's life. Guess you'll have to just get out there and sell some more insurance.

 

[jetblue320]

Besides, JB left ATL not because of gate problems, but they couldn't make any money competing against Delta AND AirTran (our LAX subservice thru Ryan was a curve they hadn't anticipated).

Ty,

Not trying to flame you (I read and enjoy your posts) but that statement is not correct. Honestly, I won't argue with you about JB in ATL but I will tell you that is not the reason we left. We were making money on our limited routes from ATL. The fact is, we could make more money and better utilize the aircraft elsewhere.

Was ATL a mistake for JB? Well, I guess it depends on who you ask. And yes, you guys going out and subbing Ryan was indeed a curveball but consider this; maybe that was money ya'll didn't have to spend so in a way, we forced you to dip into your pocketbook, and then split leaving you to pay the tab. Some might argue that that was a smart move on OUR part???

I dunno.

Anyway, have a good one.

 

[FLB717]

Lowecur,
Dude I respect your views but on this one you need to sell more policies and leave theve the running of airlines to those who can. You are way off on this one, if it turns out your right I will make a very public retraction. But I feel very safe on that.

jetblue320,
Did you make money in ATL, yeah some. Was it a large return on your investment, no. You guys did the right thing to go to other cities with that aircraft but I doubt it could be spun as a win. We to have entered a market and found that is was not sustainable, and so you and we leave.

 

[jetblue320]

jetblue320,
Did you make money in ATL, yeah some. Was it a large return on your investment, no. You guys did the right thing to go to other cities with that aircraft but I doubt it could be spun as a win. We to have entered a market and found that is was not sustainable, and so you and we leave.

Roger that, I wasn't trying to spin it as a win. I was only commenting on Ty's statement that we couldn't make money against Airtran & DL. The proof was in the pudding, we could and we did make money plain and simple. Well, maybe not simple!

Take care.

 

[Pickle]

Regarding the excerpt that Ty Webb put up about the agreement between ATA and Air Tran, note that it says "resident if Chicago." That seems to be to appease Daley. I am sure that he does not care about, nor will this part pertain to, those of us in the "815", or anywhere else around Chicago but mot "Chicago" proper. Really, how many of the ATA pilot group actually live IN Chicago.... I can think of 4r or 5 off the top of my head, but most in the area are in the 'burbs.

 

[lowecur]

Besides, JB left ATL not because of gate problems, but they couldn't make any money competing against Delta AND AirTran (our LAX subservice thru Ryan was a curve they hadn't anticipated).

Now, I know this doesn't do anything for your EMB stock, but that's life. Guess you'll have to just get out there and sell some more insurance.

Yesterday's news, Ty. When Jetblue goes into ATL it will be to go after AAI on their bread and butter routes, not the long haul. If gates are a problem in 2006, then DFW will due just fine until more open up. You start out slow like Southwest did in PHL, and then you slowly grow. The Jetblue 190 could very well put AirTran out of business in the next 5 years. It's a good thing you know how to make a living outside the airline business.

Nnanananananananananananana, Nunununununununununununu.

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

The Jetblue 190 could very well put AirTran out of business in the next 5 years.

The EMB190 won't LAST 5 years. Embraer makes, without ANY doubt whatsoever, the cheapest, flimsiest transport aircraft that have ever flown. Take it from someone that KNOWS. Not someone dreaming from behind some computer screen. These aircraft are simply throw-away pieces of crap.

The only thing they will "put of of business" are the companies that operate them and the fools "stoopid" enough to invest in them.

 

[TWA Dude]

The Jetblue 190 could very well put AirTran out of business in the next 5 years.

Do you just enjoy listening to yourself type? I don't care how awesome a plane the E190 is, it's not going to precipitate JB knocking other LCC's out of business. You're entitled to your opinion but reaching the age of 10 you should've learned that not all thoughts need to be aired. You're just having way too much fun inflaming people. I know you don't give a hoot but the people who read these threads are directly affected by the goings-on at these airlines. Show a little respect.

 

[lowecur]

The EMB190 won't LAST 5 years. Embraer makes, without ANY doubt whatsoever, the cheapest, flimsiest transport aircraft that have ever flown. Take it from someone that KNOWS. Not someone dreaming from behind some computer screen. These aircraft are simply throw-away pieces of crap.

The only thing they will "put of of business" are the companies that operate them and the fools "stoopid" enough to invest in them.

.....OK!

 

[cl65capt]

The Jetblue 190 could very well put AirTran out of business in the next 5 years. It's a good thing you know how to make a living outside the airline business.

YGTBSM!!!

 

[lowecur]

Do you just enjoy listening to yourself type? No. I don't care how awesome a plane the E190 is, it's not going to precipitate JB knocking other LCC's out of business. Wrong. You're entitled to your opinion but reaching the age of 10 you should've learned that not all thoughts need to be aired. Ok. You're just having way too much fun inflaming people. I'm an analcyst. I know you don't give a hoot but the people who read these threads are directly affected by the goings-on at these airlines. Stop lecturing me Dad. As you can see by most of the replys that people enjoy venting, and I don't really mind. Most posters don't take what I say all that seriously, and I don't.....so chill. Show a little respect.

.....

 

[lowecur]

The Jetblue 190 could very well put AirTran out of business in the next 5 years. It's a good thing you know how to make a living outside the airline business.

YGTBSM!!!

Check your droors, pal.

 

[SWAInflt]

Where is Sir Richard? I would think VirginAmerica would like a little piece of the Chicago action.

 

[cl65capt]

Check your droors, pal.

I'm not quite sure what droors are but my drawers are nice and clean thank you very much. As for your mighty 190 running Airtran out in five years I think your sadly mistaken. You have your opinion, I have mine. You know what they say about opinions and a$$holes, everyone has one and they all stink. Personally I'll go with Joe L. and Bob F. any day and not some online ins. sales man.

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur,
For a analist wana be look a little closer my electonic media friend and you will notice that we are not pullling any flights, or service from ATL. The growth in MDW or other parts will shift the % of flight that fly from ATL from 70% to 55% based on increased flights at other locations, not a reduction in ATL. So no you will not see gates opening for JBLU based on a reduction of AAI flying.

Let's see, 200 flights in ATL, and 531 total flights. With my math that's 40% out of ATL. Where does your math come from?

 

[FLB717]

Maybe we are talking about 2 different things. Over half of our revenue come from or through ATL. If you count originator in ATL your number is correect. But many flight Start in say FNT and continue through ATL to say MCO. That will change dramaticly with a shift in focus cities. If some of my numbers are off I am sorry. But your B6 E190's running us out of MDW, ATL or were ever is total BS.

 

[lowecur]

Flb

As you can see, there is plenty of room for B6 to expand in ATL. Just in common use and 30 day permits, there are 45 gates. 11 of the 45 are exclusive permits, and 34 are common use. Now these numbers are about 1 and 1/2 years old, so there may be some subtle change (particularly with regard to US Airways), but don't tell me that Hartsfield isn't wide open. Now of course it's up to B6 where they want to grow. I'm sure MDW is there number one choice, but ATL and DFW would be high up on their priority list for a focus city if MDW falls through.

I tried to print the table, but I had trouble transferring it. Oh well, the point is ATL is wide open.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Both AWA and AAI would not be in the greatest financial shape after this deal, so it must work or they will burn through their cash right down to the bottom very quickly.

Please stop!!!! You have absolutly no idea of our cash position. Now not to throw stones but arn't you supposed to research prior to makeing unfounded comments??? With a small amount of research and the copy function of your computer you could have gotton all of your facts prior to posting!!

This is off of the public AWA web site.





Return to Profitability



While commercial aviation was mired in a third consecutive year of multi-billion dollar losses, America West engineered a return to operating profitability in Our liquidity benefited from improved operating cash flow and a successful $86 million public convertible debt offering and the $81 million federal government security rebate. At year end, the Company had record total cash of $629.5 million, of which $516.7 million was unrestricted.

 

[lowecur]

Please stop!!!! You have absolutly no idea of our cash position.

This was posted from another web site. While it's not an "official" company response, I will give you every opportunity of picking it apart. There is supposition in the statement, but it is supported by facts that certainly would give doubt to AWA's future if oil prices remain high and if a proposed buyout of ATAH fails.

"I do believe that facts and supposition support the argument that AWA could face bankruptcy by the summer of 2005. Having $488 million in the bank after posting a significant loss for 3Q04 traditionally the strongest quarter of the year gives pause for expected losses for 4Q04 and 1Q05. CFO Kerr stated in the 3Q CC, that he expects to close the year with around $400M. That's a $90M loss in the 4th Q. Some of the many factors are fuel price, load factor, and RASM.

The cost of fuel for 4Q04 and 1Q05 will not drop drastically because of AWA’s effort to hedge their fuel costs. Load factor for 3Q04 was a record 81.8%, hard to maintain this during 4Q04 and especially 1Q05 which have been traditionally slow periods. RASM has been in slow decline during 2Q04 and 3Q04 but seems to be turning more favorable although not at a significant rate.

Given these realities it can be realistically argued that AWA could have combined losses of $150 million for 4Q04 and 1Q05. This will include an ATSB guaranteed loan principle payment of $42 million.

It is not at all an outrageous statement that unless things improve, an AWA acquisition of a significant part of ATA and their debt service will create additional cash burn. This cash burn will continue for several quarters because of integration issues, training costs, costs of closing offices, and closing of the ATA brand. Add to this the cash burn because ATA operations are not cash positive and it will take AWA management some time to reallocate the acquired resources to more profitable uses.

As prechilli stated, it is very possible to get close to the $300 million dollar floor that Doug Parker has stated several times is the minimum necessary for AWA to successfully survive a bankruptcy filling despite what Lawrencemondelo believes, filling and operating in CH-11 is very expensive."

 

[FLB717]

OOOHHHH GREAT AND POWERFUL LOWECUR, who art in the Halls of Aviation Knowledge please lend us your power so that we might be of greatness and knowledge that rivals other mortals and may approach your greatness. Please walk us simpletons through the ignorance of our own companies and show us how we will all fail and the Great Embrear shall deliver all who buy it to being the one true airline, amen.

 

[General Lee]

You won't scare him away, this is an open board. You just have to remember that he is an anal-cyst (analyst), and they like to make predictions. Not all of them become true, but that is their deal.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[lowecur]

OOOHHHH GREAT AND POWERFUL LOWECUR, who art in the Halls of Aviation Knowledge please lend us your power so that we might be of greatness and knowledge that rivals other mortals and may approach your greatness. Please walk us simpletons through the ignorance of our own companies and show us how we will all fail and the Great Embrear shall deliver all who buy it to being the one true airline, amen. OK, stayed tuned.

.....

 

[Ty Webb]

.....

Hell, even a broken clock is right twice a day, whihc is better than Lowecur's record. He has yet to be right twice, period.

 

[PHXFLYR]

I'm having a hard time discerning who is the bigger idiot here; Lowercue, with his
froth and drivel ,Embraer obsessed postings or the beanbrain airline pilots on this web board who let him get under their skin .....Shheesh..to think they let you guys fly airplanes for a living...



Phxflyr

 

[lowecur]

Hell, even a broken clock is right twice a day even a broken record has more imagination than you Ty. Try coming up with a new one. , which is better than Lowecur's record. He has yet to be right twice, period.

.....Bob Lowecur? You even had to steal that.

 

[lowecur]

I'm having a hard time discerning who is the bigger idiot here; Lowercue, with his
froth and drivel ,Embraer obsessed postings or the beanbrain airline pilots on this web board who let him get under their skin .....Shheesh..to think they let you guys fly airplanes for a living...



Phxflyr

That's easy.

 

[FLB717]

anything to help your Ego Lowecur. Two questions for you.
1. What is a plumb-bob (sp?) and it's use on aircraft.
2. What is that stupid picture of yours of?