Revised DAL Biz Plan?

[Noserider76]

Frankly I think it will be a lot easier to bring you up to LOA 19 than it would have been to both negotiate it. Simply put the money is not there now. They want this done, and are willing to pay to get you here, but would not be willing to do so to get us to where LOA 19 pays.
I am waiting for this to get done for the cuts to be announced. I just wish they had the brawn to do it now so that we could beat the others to the job market. By the time they get to it, we will have to go overseas to get a job.

The biggest downside to this is that while others cut their gas guzzlers, NWA and DL have their hands pretty much tied until the merger is approved. After that we all get to share in the pain again even though DL trimmed about 100 of our most "inefficient" aircraft 3 years ago.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

My GUESS is that considering the serious troubles at UAL and now the capacity cutbacks at CAL, there is a window for RA to re-attempt his "last man standing" strategy.

I think that they will attept to accelerate the merger, rather that hold it back. 30 days after the "additional information" was provided to the DOJ during the MEH deal, the DOJ waived it through with little more than a press release.

I'd bet you a 3 piece and biscuit that RA, DS and all the others are turning the screws and calling in all the favors they can to push this up as much as possible.

Nu

 

[DTW320]

You said the diff was 4. By the math its 5. Simply.

Defensive? After reading your, redtails and fly4hires constant BASHING of everything DAL, yes..I am.
Welcome aboard. Get the hat.

I guess it's just too complicated for you to get....apparently. Let me try again: Your fleet age of 12.4 INCLUDES YOUR RJ's. If you take out the RJ's your fleet age is 13.7 years. That's a difference of LESS THAN 4 YEARS. (2007 10-k's)

Simply

Welcome aboard to you too (it's a merger not an acquisition). Lose the hat.....it looks really stupid and pax in the terminal try to check their luggage with you.

 

[737 Pylt]

Then why LOA 19?

Why the hang up on LOA 19? When the JPWA is finished, LOA 19 will be a thing of the past. But would't you agree that it gives us BOTH a higher starting point!?

This could come back to ensure this merger attempt is a financial disaster.

Only if the NWA pilots want to ensure it with their "BOB" campaign.

DALPA choosing to exclude NWA pilots in an effort to screw them instead of joining forces and negotiating a joint contract shows your (DALPAs) true colors. Actions speak louder than words.
Schwanker

Put down the koolaid, and take some of Occam's advice. Stop looking back, and look forward. I realize some of your JTF's are clouding most of your thinking but let the MEC's do their job!
We could go back and forth forever and nothing will EVER get accomplished! We need to work together and get a good contract for both pilots groups. I can guarentee nobody at DAL will agree to JPWA that doesn't have immeadiately pay parity for the NWA pilot group. It would get voted down quicker than jmoney on a 13 year old boy!

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[737 Pylt]

Lose the hat.....it looks really stupid and pax in the terminal try to check their luggage with you.

Finally......Now that's funny!:laugh:

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[Noserider76]

Finally......Now that's funny!:laugh:

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It is funny but it's probably coming from a guy who puts on his favorite fishing hat and a pair of driving gloves when he sits down in the cockpit and entertains the passengers with the one Jethro Tull song he knows on the flute while they're boarding.

 

[General Lee]

I guess it's just too complicated for you to get....apparently. Let me try again: Your fleet age of 12.4 INCLUDES YOUR RJ's. If you take out the RJ's your fleet age is 13.7 years. That's a difference of LESS THAN 4 YEARS. (2007 10-k's)

Simply

Welcome aboard to you too (it's a merger not an acquisition). Lose the hat.....it looks really stupid and pax in the terminal try to check their luggage with you.

Really, you will wear the hat, or you will start to check luggage yourself. I bet you would be good at it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Schwanker]

Why the hang up on LOA 19? When the JPWA is finished, LOA 19 will be a thing of the past. But would't you agree that it gives us BOTH a higher starting point!?
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DALPA spent it's leverage on LOA 19. For what? For it to just be obsolete? Management would love to keep the pilot groups divided and DALPA spent it's negotiating capital doing just that.

Uncle BOB may provide the best incentive for management to agree to a JPWA. Nobody wants a huge ca$h drain when cash is king. In my opinion, job security and scope is a larger concern than pay rates in this environment. You are right though; if we want to be successful, especially going into the climate of our immediate future, both groups must stand together and give everyone the incentive to make it work. It doesn't exist in the current arrangement. In fact, it's quite the contrary. I'd be concerned about this venture going forward under present conditions.

Why would DAL propose every employee receives an equity stake in the new operation with the exception of NWA pilots? Sounds like a great team building strategy to me! Karma's a bitch, especially when that equity is suddenly worth nothing.

Schwanker

 

[DTW320]

Really, you will wear the hat, or you will start to check luggage yourself. I bet you would be good at it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Really, checking luggage will not be part of the joint contract. Really.

If I wear the hat, I'll also wear the leather jacket. I bet you would look good in it

 

[General Lee]

Really, checking luggage will not be part of the joint contract. Really.

If I wear the hat, I'll also wear the leather jacket. I bet you would look good in it

Am I going to look good in YOUR leather jacket? Hey man, I don't go that way. I hope you don't dream like that often, NOT that there is anything wrong with that.......Do you belong to that aviation group "Unusual Attitudes?" Sweeet.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jester757]

Then why mention it? DAL Inc. may be buying NWA Inc., but is still a merger of operations and a merger of pilot groups......

BECAUSE>> It was made very clear in the conversation - as if would have an impact in some respect. Besides this has been debated over and over - now the word from the source.

 

[jester757]

Its not misinformation and its not DAL pilots we are talking about, thats what your mgmt team is telling our mec. Thats why you are hearing it from us.

That is what managment wants...not so much DALPA. The figure I was told was a three to four year period to bring NWA up to DAL.

 

[Superpilot92]

That is what managment wants...not so much DALPA. The figure I was told was a three to four year period to bring NWA up to DAL.

Yes and IF we (both NWA/DAL MECs) work out a joint contract and mgmt tries to pull this then the DAL MEC SHOULD stand side by side with us because at that point we would be working together. If DALPA wants whats best for BOTH groups like they say, they will put there money where there mouth is and stand by us against "Harmonization". All that does is further divide the groups. I think we can all agree that if we finally get to the point where we have a joint contract agreed upon by BOTH groups, we should stand together against mgmt trying to divide the group thats pushing us backwards from our common goals. IF DAL mgmt wants to push this through quickly they need to drop this crap of harmonization? Whats the point other than to try and union bust us? Lets get this done TOGETHER.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

IF DAL mgmt wants to push this through quickly they need to drop this crap of harmonization? Whats the point other than to try and union bust us? Lets get this done TOGETHER.

ALL that is being done is union busting!
Delta guys will, unfortunately, not realize what that fully means until it is too late for everyone.
At least the NWA guys seem to have a CLUE as to how it works.
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1601298#post1601298

 

[737 Pylt]

DALPA spent it's leverage on LOA 19. For what? For it to just be obsolete? Management would love to keep the pilot groups divided and DALPA spent it's negotiating capital doing just that.

NO, what DALPA did was to get something because you guys screwed the pooch. Now if you were jmoney, I'd say that's normal, but you are in self destruct mode, and its not going to do you guys any good!

Uncle BOB may provide the best incentive for management to agree to a JPWA. Nobody wants a huge ca$h drain when cash is king. In my opinion, job security and scope is a larger concern than pay rates in this environment.

Schwanker, again this self destruct mode with "BOB" isn't going to help you guys....Start burning that gas, burning down the house, the summer of love part II. In the end, the cuts will come from the NW side of the house because you are costing the most money! I don't want to see that happen, but you guys are sure showing that face how to look without its nose!

]You are right though; if we want to be successful, especially going into the climate of our immediate future, both groups must stand together and give everyone the incentive to make it work. It doesn't exist in the current arrangement. In fact, it's quite the contrary. I'd be concerned about this venture going forward under present conditions.

That's why its important to keep cooler heads to prevail! And if we can agree on at least something, that's a refreshing change!:beer:

Why would DAL propose every employee receives an equity stake in the new operation with the exception of NWA pilots? Sounds like a great team building strategy to me! Karma's a bitch, especially when that equity is suddenly worth nothing.

Schwanker

Schwanker.....Without parity for the NWA guys, I can assure you that there will be no JPWA!

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