Reserve at DAL

[nwaredtail]

Can someone give me the gouge on reserve at DAL for domestic.

ie, do they have long call, how long is it, is everyone eligible, how long is short call?

At nwa, long call is bid daily, 12 hour call out (first to get the trip by the way) and there is a ratio on how many get it vs how many are available.

Thanks

 

[regionalcap]

You can be assigned up to 6 short calls now. The long call is a 12 hour callout. Short call is 2 hour callout (for a 12 hour period). I have yet to figure out how they assign short call. You never know. It does seem that they typically give it to people with the highest available reserve days.

 

[Meiguy]

Can someone give me the gouge on reserve at DAL for domestic.

ie, do they have long call, how long is it, is everyone eligible, how long is short call?

At nwa, long call is bid daily, 12 hour call out (first to get the trip by the way) and there is a ratio on how many get it vs how many are available.

Thanks

I think there is a couple of threads floating around on this but here is some info for ya.

Everyone starts out on long call (12 hour call out). It's the default. They can reduce you to short call 8 times in a bid period. Although I think it's 6 with the new contract. Although every time I get short call I get assigned a trip before I actually start my short call period. As a 88 ATL FO I pretty much work everyday I'm on call. Last month I flew 92 hours and had 1 day I didn't get called out. Ex. Just finished a four day today. Got assigned short call for tomorrow. Already got a 2 day for tomorrow. This was for 6 on call days. How much you work definitely varies from base and equipment. As 88 NYC B I would maybe fly 30 hours or so a month. Other catagories can be similiar to this but 88 ATL B's are short. Each day you work on reserve gives you a raw score. The more you work the higher the score its. The higher the score the further down you are in your respective bucket (number of days available) to fly. This helps things be more predictable when assigning trips. You can guess on a high percentage whether or not your going to fly. There's a few other odds and ends but that is the jist of it.

 

[Bert Harbenson]

Sounds pretty similar. Everyone is given a long call line each month (12 hr.) and can be converted to short call (with 12 hr notice) up to six times per month. No specified callout time for short call, just "reasonable." However it is generally assumed to be two hours unless you are in NYC during rush hour or the like.

For long call each pilot is given a RAW (reserve avialibility weighting) score based on how much credit they have already flown in the month. The formula is in the contract--bring your TI-82 graphing calculator to figure it out yourself. Domestically the pilots are grouped into four pots--4 or more days on call, 3 days on call, 2 days on call, 1 day on call. The open time trips are then assigned in each pot based on who has the lowest RAW score.

As I said long call is 12 hours, but usually the trips for the next day are assigned at about 8 am the day before. Short calls are then handed out by around noon. This holds true most of the time unless there is some kind of irregular operations.

Overall a pretty good system that could be made better with a few minor tweaks. My biggest complant is the assignment of short calls. The contract gives no guidance on who gets them besides "scheduler discretion." That can make it kind of hard to plan as a commuter.

 

[FlyingSig]

Reserve as an F/O at DAL = Work every day you are on call until you fill up for the month (does not apply during summer months)

*summer months at DAL = every month except SEP OCT & NOV

 

[~~~^~~~]

I've had pretty good luck bidding and getting what I want for short call days.

Delta is working on a PBS system for reserve. That will change the current system.

 

[nwaredtail]

FYI, when NWA went to computer bidding for reserves, the satisfaction with everyone's schedules went down huge. We tried to cancel it, but of course, NWA said no.

 

[qxdash8]

I might add: Short call on the ER is for a 24 hour period. Though this can be (and often is) adjusted by the schedulers. For example - short call assigned from 1300 to 1300 the next day. Then later that day scheduling calls to release you from short call at midnight so that they can put you back on short call the next day at 1300.

 

[MXAV8R]

You can be assigned up to 6 short calls now. The long call is a 12 hour callout. Short call is 2 hour callout (for a 12 hour period). I have yet to figure out how they assign short call. You never know. It does seem that they typically give it to people with the highest available reserve days.

Short call, pretty sure, NOT TWO HOURS. It is "readily available". If I am on short call in LAX and get called at 0600...well I be there asap. Scheduling understands that I dont control LA traffic. And in "normal" driving time I live about 1:40 away. At 0600, try about three hours...

 

[Truckdriver]

FYI, when NWA went to computer bidding for reserves, the satisfaction with everyone's schedules went down huge. We tried to cancel it, but of course, NWA said no.

Well its coming in a couple of months so we'll see how it works. I have a feeling it won't be as nice as the line bid system we now have. I had PBS bidding for reserve in my previous life and it wasn't a good thing for pilots. If they can force the company to require that the PBS system awards a certain number of holidays and weekends to reserves, then it might be OK.

 

[Truckdriver]

The nice part about the Delta system is that if you "fill up" for the month which means you fly enough to get your credit time to the average line value, your done for the remainder of the month if you want to be. You hear of guys flying 90-100 hours on reserve, but they choose to do so. For the month of November in Atlanta, once you hit 75 hours you will be done. The ALV in the summer months is usually around 82ish.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Reserve at DAL is pretty laid back these days. We are decently staffed. I've been flying 1 or 2 trips a month since summer time.

My record for short calls in a month is 5... it's been quite a few months since Ive actually been called on short call.

Not a bad life if you live in town. It's actually been a bit boring working so little. (I only flew 22 hours last month)

 

[ASA_DFW]

If you an MD-88 co-pilot and on reserve you will fill up for the month (75 hours). You will work almost every day. All the other categories are pretty well staffed.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Good point. On the mad doggy dog you'll work your butt off on rsv.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Yes, but on the 88 you can make more than just about any other FO. Anyone want to explain "Rolling Thunder?"

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Yes, but on the 88 you can make more than just about any other FO. Anyone want to explain "Rolling Thunder?"

Why? Its theoretically gone now that GS pay has been restored.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Hey they will use you for all your short call periods too. I have had eight two months in a row.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Hey they will use you for all your short call periods too. I have had eight two months in a row.

You gotta start bribing those schedulers more!

Money plus talking to them in your "sexy voice" works wonders.

 

[dalad]

Why? Its theoretically gone now that GS pay has been restored.

Wrong, in the old days the senior guys used to bid reserve and do "rolling thunder". It is awarded by seniority.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Money plus talking to them in your "sexy voice" works wonders.

You mean that voice you use when a call interrupts your EMHO, why it's Skippy at 04:35 on his fifth cup of coffee, just letting you know:

Mornin'Igota06:35tripforyouonyour06hundredshortcallperiod-gasp-fivelegs-a-daywithovernightsin-oh-idon'tknowthatcode-gasp-
thanks don'tworryabout dutyinweknowthisisashortcallThanks!(click)

In your "sexy" voice, Wh what? Huh? Was that a dream? Where did Liz Hurley go?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Funny. I jet ask them when it gets back. That really is the only one that they can violate you one.
Better not take me in to my off day.....

 

[Truckdriver]

Why? Its theoretically gone now that GS pay has been restored.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Is it theoreticcally gone because regular line holders will get all the greenslips before reserves? I still think rolling thunder will work, you just might get less greenslips because line holders are more willing to submit green slips for double pay. Should still work though in theory.

 

[michael707767]

I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Is it theoreticcally gone because regular line holders will get all the greenslips before reserves? I still think rolling thunder will work, you just might get less greenslips because line holders are more willing to submit green slips for double pay. Should still work though in theory.

greenslips are awarded based on seniority. So, accepting that more line holders are senior to most reserve guys, yes they could get more greenslips.

But, keep in mind a reserve pilot has a good shot at greenslips, especially on a three or four day trip. A regular line holder will already have a schedule, and even if he has three, four or even five days off, a 3 or 4 day trip will cause a 30n7 conflict.

In the summer, there will probably be a good chance to do rolling thunder again. But right now, most categories are well staffed and there is not much chance.

 

[Truckdriver]

greenslips are awarded based on seniority. So, accepting that more line holders are senior to most reserve guys, yes they could get more greenslips.

But, keep in mind a reserve pilot has a good shot at greenslips, especially on a three or four day trip. A regular line holder will already have a schedule, and even if he has three, four or even five days off, a 3 or 4 day trip will cause a 30n7 conflict.

In the summer, there will probably be a good chance to do rolling thunder again. But right now, most categories are well staffed and there is not much chance.

Yeah, that is what I thought. The double pay greenslip deal doesn't do away with the ability to play the rolling thunder game when coverage is low.

 

[relief tube]

might have missed this....but min days off on RSV there?

 

[EMBpilot]

12 in a 30 day month, 13 in 31 days.
One of those days off will be assigned where ever in the month at the discretion of scheduling after reserve line is awarded.

 

[captain caveman]

I just got paid 16 hours to fly up to Laguarbage last night and dead head back this morning. These are the types of trips that don't interfere too much with lineholders.

 

[loser]

I am an NYC ER B reserve and flew 45 hours last month and 68 hours the month before. I can safely say that I am not a fan of the 24 hour short call window that applies to international. I was given 6 short calls last month, which essentially effects 12 days. Luckily I live within 2 hours otherwise I would be spending some quality time in a lovely Q Gardens crash pad.

 

[qxdash8]

I too am a (junior) NYC ER B. Regular line holder last month (65 hrs + 20 Hr WS trip). 77 hours on reserve the month before, 85 hours on reserve the month before that. Back on reserve this month. Doubt I will break the 70 hr min. I've had less than 5 total short call days since I came on line in July. Flew all but one of those short call days. I'm sure that will be different this month as well.