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Requesting training for ditching in the Hudson?

F9 Buff

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So all this talk of the training for every kind of situation such as ditching in the Hudson got me wondering...

I know that stuff like this is not covered in training at Regionals and I am pretty sure this stuff is not covered in training at Major but now that the press seems to be under this impression that airline pilots get all this amazing training, that got me to wondering...

What would happen if a pilot, green FO fresh out of indoc, or a high seniority CA called up training tomorrow at their respective airline and asked to do some sort of additional training for some off the wall situation like, I dont know, a dual engine failure just after takeoff from LGA? Or maybe a loss of the vertical stab after taking off from JFK? Perhaps even a fuel starvation scenerio over middle of nowhere Canada or any other of a million situations that could happen?

Does anyone think that their training department would accomodate this or would they tell you to pound sand after they fired you for not knowing and being proficient with these scenerios?
 

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At ASA we trained dual engine failure out of JFK, FWIW. With extra sim time (as in finished a check an hour early) they'd let you try anything.

Most would practice the emergency evac to home.
 
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Dead sticked the -80 last time in sim from downwind, made the runway, probaby lit up the wheels pretty good getting it stopped.
With left over/extra time likewise, 'you guys been wanting to try/practice anything?'
 

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Friend had some feds in Airbus sim today for their type rides. He said yesterday he was going to have a new scenerio for them out of LGA. Seems the federales he has, have been giving him some problems through their training....LOL...would love to see how they do.
 

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I wonder how many sims would give accurate feedback for a ditching?

You could still practice the procedures and thought processes to get configured, but as far as the acutal touchdown and the end result? I would think that the programming and visuals of most simulators would not work to well for ditching?

AND why isn't it a requirement for ETOPS training to at least train and perform a ditching once?
 

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I wonder how many sims would give accurate feedback for a ditching?

You could still practice the procedures and thought processes to get configured, but as far as the acutal touchdown and the end result? I would think that the programming and visuals of most simulators would not work to well for ditching?

AND why isn't it a requirement for ETOPS training to at least train and perform a ditching once?

After this accident they should have some pretty good data recovered on what the parameters are for a successful ditching. Hopefully they incorporate that into the sim software.
 

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Ditch/Crash

I wonder how many sims would give accurate feedback for a ditching?

You could still practice the procedures and thought processes to get configured, but as far as the acutal touchdown and the end result? I would think that the programming and visuals of most simulators would not work to well for ditching?

AND why isn't it a requirement for ETOPS training to at least train and perform a ditching once?
Pretty sure the sim would register/display the ditching as a crash.
 

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Its not ditching training, but I did get a V1 cut with an opposite engine fire in the sim. Made it back but had to deadstick to the runway. So you do get oddball stuff every once in awhile.
 

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When you wrote "ditching training" I thought you meant calling in sick for your displacement requal.
 

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Are these majors with their own training centers that you guys are getting this "oddball" training at?

I can see this happening when you are done with what had to be done and there is time left over aftr a PC, but is that the only time this stuff happens?

What happens if you call up out of the blue and ask for some sim time to work on some stuff of your choosing?
 

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I wonder how many sims would give accurate feedback for a ditching?

You could still practice the procedures and thought processes to get configured, but as far as the acutal touchdown and the end result? I would think that the programming and visuals of most simulators would not work to well for ditching?

AND why isn't it a requirement for ETOPS training to at least train and perform a ditching once?



ETOPS= Engines Turn Or Packages Sink
 

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ASA trains dual flameout and relight in the sim. During my training they had us land with a dual flameout with no succ. relight. There was also discussion of use of the emergency depress/cabin dump to keep the airplane from exploding on impact and allow the doors to open to escape if a ditching scenario came up.
 
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I got to ditch in the Hudson in the 1900 sim years ago. It stopped fairly quickly, settled tail low and bobbed gently in the waves. Of course the 1900 doesn't have engines hanging under the wings.
 

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Landed on the 405 after dual engine out on the lax 24r app. I dont think it turned out so well, screen went red.
 

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We did a ditch in the ATR sim at Eagle back in the '90's. I think I did one in the 737-800 at ATA, as well. It's in the QRH.
 

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Dead sticked the -80 last time in sim from downwind, made the runway, probaby lit up the wheels pretty good getting it stopped.
With left over/extra time likewise, 'you guys been wanting to try/practice anything?'



I've heard this from the cool instructors many a time.....

"We got some extra time, You Charles Lindberg types been wanting to try/practice anything else?"

Err, ahh, of course for that one time I thought I had made a mistake!

As luck would have it I was wrong for the first time in my life and didn't actually make one!

:laugh:
 

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Can a A319/320 driver clarify the "ditch switch" for me? I was looking though my company A310/300 QRH's but don't see such a switch.

I'm assuming it's a singles button that accomplishes the following: closes all outflow valves, depressurizes cabin, closes engine/apu bleed air valves, and closes ram air, but wasn't sure.

Thanks
 

Captzaahlie

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Can a A319/320 driver clarify the "ditch switch" for me? I was looking though my company A310/300 QRH's but don't see such a switch.

I'm assuming it's a singles button that accomplishes the following: closes all outflow valves, depressurizes cabin, closes engine/apu bleed air valves, and closes ram air, but wasn't sure.

Thanks

You are on the right track but an Airbus guy needs to take it further.... I could tell you how to unfold an Airbus jump seat but that it would probably be breach of security to some "great mind" on FI.
 
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