Republic's Q 400 operation

[Flying Illini]

Should start in June or July. I'm trying to get info on syllabus length but no luck. I start terminal leave in June.
I just read the pilots will be voting on a contract. Anyone know when the vote will take place? How does contract look, I read companies info and can't get a read on whether its good or bad? I know union reps say no but they aren't the pilots.
Any info would be useful.

www.rahcontractnow.org

The union reps ARE pilots and they say its terrible. But as the LFBO it must be put to a vote.

 

[CRJ puppy]

There is no training contract for the Q400 or E145. Only for the E170.

As for pilots not wanting to strike...strike vote was more than a year ago. They voted in the high 90's percentile in favor of a strike IF they ever get released to "self help". So I'd say that the pilot group is VERY willing to strike.

 

[gazoo34]

Ok so I've spent the day reading about union negotiations and as I understand if you get rid of the union and then strike it is not against the law? The NMB will not release the pilots, why should they? The NMB is a government agency and given the "support" of the current administration the pilots will never get released. I really think the pilots are in a spot unless "they" change things.

"workers can formally request that the National Labor Relations Board end their association with their labor union if they feel that the union is not sufficiently supportive of them. At this point, any strike action taken by the workers may be termed a wildcat strike, but there is no illegality involved as there is no longer a conflict between sections 7 and 9(a) of the NLRA.[3]"

I know everything on the internet is correct so the above paragraph has to be correct it is from wikileaks...

I wish I was there to vote

 

[CRJ puppy]

Pilots are covered by the Railway Labor Act. Read that for the various processes that lead up to a strike. It is a different set of rules and regulations than the NLRA.

 

[Flying Illini]

There is no training contract for the Q400 or E145. Only for the E170.

As for pilots not wanting to strike...strike vote was more than a year ago. They voted in the high 90's percentile in favor of a strike IF they ever get released to "self help". So I'd say that the pilot group is VERY willing to strike.

98.9% turnout, 99.25% in favor of a strike. ~25 "no strike" votes. It is a VERY angry pilot group.


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[CRJ puppy]

98.9% turnout, 99.25% in favor of a strike. ~25 "no strike" votes. It is a VERY angry pilot group.


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My point exactly.

 

[Flying Illini]

My point exactly.

Yep, I know...I was just providing the numbers for anyone who wanted them.


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[suupah]

So anyone hear anything about how the Q operation is running?

 

[gazoo34]

An angry pilot group is one thing but an angry pilot group that takes action is a completely different thing. Until the pilot group decides they have had enough of the NMB, corporate and the union nothing will change and from what I've heard the Captains are fine with status quo and they drive the union. My father was a teamster for 47 years, his father was a teamster they both were involved in numerous strikes including "wildcat" strikes and one thing they said was talking does nothing action is what changes things.
This is the bio of the NMB Chairman, he is a political appointee his job is to ensure the current administration is never brought into question about supporting the "workers". So how do you support the workforce yet prevent a work stoppage that will have a dramatic effect on the industry and cause a burp in the economy? You tie the workforce up in mediation that will maintain the status quo. The NMB Chairman has a Bio that says he should support Pilots but he is political appointee....

http://www.nmb.gov/directory/hoglander-harry-r_bio.html

I'm on a soap box about this issue not for me but for my kids and grandkids, how do I tell them they can be pilots but it will cost them $150,000 for a 4 year degree and 250 flight hours (CWU Flying Program) when starting in August they will need 1500 flight hours to get a $22/hr job. The garbage men is Seattle (Teamsters Local 117) signed a 6 year $96K wage and benefit package, it took them to force the companies hand with a strike but they are now getting more money than a pilot, good for them but it begs the question why spend $200,000 (even with CFI money) to get a $22/hr job?
I love flying it is a passion but economically it doesn't make sense. Especially given the roller coaster ride called the airline industry.

I hope republic changes and the pilots get some compensation given they just reported an 800% earnings increase last year, yes that is correct 800%. the reference in on the other thread. I really feel for the pilots but until the pilots (Captains included) decide to take action nothing will change.

See you on the line....maybe

 

[Flying Illini]

An angry pilot group is one thing but an angry pilot group that takes action is a completely different thing. Until the pilot group decides they have had enough of the NMB, corporate and the union nothing will change and from what I've heard the Captains are fine with status quo and they drive the union. My father was a teamster for 47 years, his father was a teamster they both were involved in numerous strikes including "wildcat" strikes and one thing they said was talking does nothing action is what changes things.
This is the bio of the NMB Chairman, he is a political appointee his job is to ensure the current administration is never brought into question about supporting the "workers". So how do you support the workforce yet prevent a work stoppage that will have a dramatic effect on the industry and cause a burp in the economy? You tie the workforce up in mediation that will maintain the status quo. The NMB Chairman has a Bio that says he should support Pilots but he is political appointee....

http://www.nmb.gov/directory/hoglander-harry-r_bio.html

I'm on a soap box about this issue not for me but for my kids and grandkids, how do I tell them they can be pilots but it will cost them $150,000 for a 4 year degree and 250 flight hours (CWU Flying Program) when starting in August they will need 1500 flight hours to get a $22/hr job. The garbage men is Seattle (Teamsters Local 117) signed a 6 year $96K wage and benefit package, it took them to force the companies hand with a strike but they are now getting more money than a pilot, good for them but it begs the question why spend $200,000 (even with CFI money) to get a $22/hr job?
I love flying it is a passion but economically it doesn't make sense. Especially given the roller coaster ride called the airline industry.

I hope republic changes and the pilots get some compensation given they just reported an 800% earnings increase last year, yes that is correct 800%. the reference in on the other thread. I really feel for the pilots but until the pilots (Captains included) decide to take action nothing will change.

See you on the line....maybe

You need to read up on the RLA. Doesn't matter if RAH was teamsters, ALPA, or in-house. The recourse options of all three are the same and you can't just take (organized) illegal job actions against the company.

 

[gazoo34]

You can if you fire the union! If the pilots organize without a union what legal action can the company take? There are plenty of other options for the pilots, look at what happened to American last summer...pilots have options without strikes but until the "Captains" decide they have had enough nothing will change and it seems the "Captains" are ok with the status qou. If they weren't how does a company increase earnings 800%?
Please tell me how calling in sick is illegal? From a "legal" stand point everything has to be "proven" and while they are trying to "prove" what is going on the company is losing money. I'm not a union guy and if I was I would be saying the exact same thing. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think RAH Pilots are teamsters and they should be using every available option!!!

 

[Flying Illini]

You can if you fire the union! If the pilots organize without a union what legal action can the company take? There are plenty of other options for the pilots, look at what happened to American last summer...pilots have options without strikes but until the "Captains" decide they have had enough nothing will change and it seems the "Captains" are ok with the status qou. If they weren't how does a company increase earnings 800%?
Please tell me how calling in sick is illegal? From a "legal" stand point everything has to be "proven" and while they are trying to "prove" what is going on the company is losing money. I'm not a union guy and if I was I would be saying the exact same thing. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think RAH Pilots are teamsters and they should be using every available option!!!

The passion is definitely appreciated. When I was there it was the same way. We all wanted to walk so very badly. I can only assume that the general consensus is still the same.

One guy calling in sick is not going to hurt the company. You need 1500 guys to do it but the only way for that to happen is to organize it...and that remains illegal.

 

[The Drizzle]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think RAH Pilots are teamsters and they should be using every available option!!!

Regional new-hires are cute.

 

[CRJ puppy]

You can if you fire the union! If the pilots organize without a union what legal action can the company take? There are plenty of other options for the pilots, look at what happened to American last summer...pilots have options without strikes but until the "Captains" decide they have had enough nothing will change and it seems the "Captains" are ok with the status qou. If they weren't how does a company increase earnings 800%?
Please tell me how calling in sick is illegal? From a "legal" stand point everything has to be "proven" and while they are trying to "prove" what is going on the company is losing money. I'm not a union guy and if I was I would be saying the exact same thing. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think RAH Pilots are teamsters and they should be using every available option!!!

Please read up on the court injunction against the united pilots the last time they attempted a ("so called") job action. Or the one handed down to the USAir union.

The rules that apply to "regular unions" and their ability to engage in "self help" simply are not permitted by the railway labor act. It's unfortunate but that is what hamstrings pilot unions. It is not the same as regular unions. It is a fundamental service that the government has determined (through legislation) is an essential service and must therefore be restricted and regulated more than other industries that aren't "as essential"...

 

[CRJ puppy]

Regional new-hires are cute.

And tasty too!

 

[gazoo34]

I read up on the articles and found that the pilots weren't affect at all it didn't cost them a penny...in fact it is still pending. The union hires lawyers to fight the injunctions and they are...if your worried about what "might" happen you need not unionize! In a union you may have to strike even if your not financially ready that is the deal.
If the RAH pilots (read Captains) didn't like the status qou they would change it but they are getting pay raises up to the 18 years mark, but the FOs well, as I have heard at least 5 times since I started looking for a flying job, "they have to pay their dues!"
It is sad this union is split 7 years is unsat for any union to negotiate!! Take action or stop wasting your time, we can only hope in the next 5 years of hiring at the legacy airlines that RAH loses more than they can hire. Companies that treat their employees poorly will usually be out of business during a hiring boom.

Yep new hires are cute, tasty and not so wet behind the ears! Some have some pretty good life lessons....but I'm sure you weren't talking about me

 

[Nevets]

You can if you fire the union! If the pilots organize without a union what legal action can the company take?

They can fire 15 pilots a month (and hire 15 new pilots a month) until they wipe out the pilots who are participating in the wildcat strike.

 

[gazoo34]

I really don't think the pilots will go there if a strike was going on, I wouldn't. I'm waiting to see what happens in the next 45 days to see if I'm going if they call. The next 5 years will be a telling time for RAH, I'm sure this is why they want us to sign a 2 year/20k training contract. I'm sure it 15 line guys walked out on the same day the company would fill it and it would become contagious. It only takes one person to start it and the wave will catch if the under current is there....I really fell for the pilots especially the FOs that have been there without a raise for 3 years...my two cents

 

[Flying Illini]

I read up on the articles and found that the pilots weren't affect at all it didn't cost them a penny...in fact it is still pending. The union hires lawyers to fight the injunctions and they are...if your worried about what "might" happen you need not unionize! In a union you may have to strike even if your not financially ready that is the deal.
If the RAH pilots (read Captains) didn't like the status qou they would change it but they are getting pay raises up to the 18 years mark, but the FOs well, as I have heard at least 5 times since I started looking for a flying job, "they have to pay their dues!"
It is sad this union is split 7 years is unsat for any union to negotiate!! Take action or stop wasting your time, we can only hope in the next 5 years of hiring at the legacy airlines that RAH loses more than they can hire. Companies that treat their employees poorly will usually be out of business during a hiring boom.

Yep new hires are cute, tasty and not so wet behind the ears! Some have some pretty good life lessons....but I'm sure you weren't talking about me

Where are you getting this "union divided" stuff? The strike vote was pretty unified as was everyone I ever flew with.

 

[Kaman]

Why are you leaving the military to fly for RAH would be an interesting question to ponder as well...