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[AirBill]

Oh its already being Brought.....jerkoff. See heres the thing. We will be paid higher than CHQ. Heck we've already been offered your crap. But we are not going to settle. We are sick and fed up and would rather be unemployed than take what you have.

Don't even try and argue with this guy. All he and others like him are doing is setting us up to be the reason why he can't get Comair + 5 percent.

Never mind 9-11 and the recession. It's our spineless backs that gave us the contract.

Whatever.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

5 yr. CA $64.35
12 yr. CA $80.01
Max (16) $89.90
4 yr. FO (max) 33.50

I think NWA makes about $192/hr plus work rules plus retirement for flying the same size plane (DC-9-10). CHQ flying 170s is UAL mgt's wet dream.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

9/11?

9/11 and a recession? When are you guys going to wake up and see the truth? These two events have caused a windfall, not trouble, for the small jet provider industry. The majors are bleeding red and the bottomfeeders can't grow fast enough to grab all the flying coming their way from UAL and AAA. If anything, small jet wages should be going up to close the gap as so much major flying is coming our way.

The reason for the race to the bottom is the unadulterated greed of Jonathan Ornstein and Bryan Bedford, and the unwillingness of their pilot groups to dig in and fight back. (now add Mesaba to the list). 9/11 is a large cause of the race to the bottom at the majors, but not at our level.

 

[bafanguy]

Boilerup... all tho you may be Perdue... I still respect you....

Sizzle,

You STILL respect him ??? That's big of you. What's THAT about ?

 

[TWAER]

Re: 9/11?

9/11 and a recession? When are you guys going to wake up and see the truth? These two events have caused a windfall, not trouble, for the small jet provider industry. The majors are bleeding red and the bottomfeeders can't grow fast enough to grab all the flying coming their way from UAL and AAA. If anything, small jet wages should be going up to close the gap as so much major flying is coming our way.

The reason for the race to the bottom is the unadulterated greed of Jonathan Ornstein and Bryan Bedford, and the unwillingness of their pilot groups to dig in and fight back. (now add Mesaba to the list). 9/11 is a large cause of the race to the bottom at the majors, but not at our level.

Where have You been???

Wake up!!!!

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Where have I been? Uh, see above and absorb logic please. Too bad I have to go to work for 4 days now. You all have a nice week!

 

[AirBill]

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[g159av8tor]

besides i think a 4yr captain at mesa makes more than a 4yr fo at comair. it seems those with crappy contracts have the growth (and with that better OVERALL salaries in terms of real dollars) rather than the high QOL/rates contracts at comair/air whiskey. that's too bad because those at comair/air whiskey have earned it.

bottom line: worry about yourself and don't blame your troubles on others.

This a very short-sighted and narrow view of the general labor industry and, more specifically, the regional airline industry. All improvements for future labor contracts depend on two things: the state of the industry and the quality of proceeding contracts.

We all know you can't get much improvement on your labor contract (much less hold onto what you already have) if your company isn't doing well financially and growing. We all know that you can't get much improvement on your contract if others' proceeding contracts are crappy. It's nearly impossible to raise the bar in a new contract in addition to and then above and beyond what is already out there. Basically you can't go from one directly to four if steps two and three aren't accomplished elsewhere.

So, to just sit idle worrying yourself and ignoring the fact that your airline's subpar contrct has no bearing or effect on the rest of the industry is, at best, a retarded view of the labor industry. When regional airlines are making record profits (a must for contract improvement) and it's own labor sells themselves short for growth opportunities (which would've happened anyhow but at the expense of the investor not the employee) and to make Captain quickly at a sh1tty airline, you've sold your soul to the Devil and F'ed everybody else. Shame on you!!!

I'm glad as hell to get out of that game. Let everybody else fight for the table scraps. Independence is bliss.

Tailwinds...

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Great. Good luck. I believe you should get more than we did easily... and I've already explained why. Short recap: 250 planes vs. 80, exclusive jet feed for CO vs. contract carrier for several ailing majors, and NO REPUBLIC. Remember that?

Okay, good. Now here's where I'm calling BS. I seriously doubt you'll get Comair plus a bunch. I'll be surprised if you get what Comair has now, and I'll be shocked if you actually shut the place down for, say, Comair minus 5 percent. And when you say you'd rather be unemployed than work for what we got, why wait? You're working for less than us right now, so if you quit tomorrow you can violate the RLA and be unemployed right now. Then you start applying to Comair, Air Whisky or wherever else. I've already said that I don't think our payrates are good enough, but I fully believe they were the best we could get in our negotiating environment. Besides, guess what? We had the Mesa contract slapped in our faces, and we still bettered their contract by quite a bit, in all areas. So now it's your turn. Take what you don't like (pay) about my contract, and use it to go UP from there. And seriously, good luck. And try to stop with the whining, name-calling and all that. It doesn't make your pilot group look any better, or accomplish anything. (Although I'm probably having better luck teaching my 3 year old that than trying to get it across a message board )

You will never know for sure if it was the best you could of got. You folded too early. You may be right, but you will never know. Just wanted to correct your statement.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

5 yr. CA $64.35
12 yr. CA $80.01
Max (16) $89.90
4 yr. FO (max) 33.50

I think NWA makes about $192/hr plus work rules plus retirement for flying the same size plane (DC-9-10). CHQ flying 170s is UAL mgt's wet dream.

That is unreal. I knew they worked cheap, but I had no idea they agreed to those kind of wages. It just shows what mgt. can get away with with a group with no back bone. Pathetic, just pathetic.
Why do I care. These slave wages will have a direct affect on my future earning potential. We at Comair are under paid as it is, and now we have these people agreeing to these kind of wages.

 

[Nova]

Don't worry, CHQ captains are all making $100+ a year.

 

[DrinkSweetTea]

5 yr. CA $64.35
12 yr. CA $80.01
Max (16) $89.90
4 yr. FO (max) 33.50

I think NWA makes about $192/hr plus work rules plus retirement for flying the same size plane (DC-9-10). CHQ flying 170s is UAL mgt's wet dream.

Couple of things...You're rates are all first year. We have only a handful of 16+ year pilots. The actually Topout at the end of the 4 year deal is around 108,000K I think.

You're quote on NWA pilots is really vague. 192/hr...is that FOs? Capts? Years of Service? So if a NW pilot gets 192/hr flying a 80 seater, that must mean at your company you get around $120/hr to fly a 50 seater...Right?

I also cant believe experienced airline pilots sit on here and bicker about nothing but payscales. Yes these rates need to be higher. But dont forget about many other things in a contract. You guys know what Im talking about. But payscales are just easier to quantify so thats what you see. The inter-hate between airline pilots is unreal and unlike most other industries out there. Do you see Pepsi truck drives giving the bird to Coke truck drivers?

 

[Axel]

I also cant believe experienced airline pilots sit on here and bicker

I can.

 

[j41driver]

I saw my buddy's last pay stub from CHQ and they have already cleared $50K for the year, before taxes.... I think our contract is OK...

I find it very hard to believe that by late April he has already made $50K. What equipment/longevity is this guy on? Does he do IOE, etc.

 

[megreene]

I cannot get the link to work, am I missing something?