Republic hiring Midwest pilots as Check Airmen!

[707eng]

whats the deal with this? I've been told this is only being offered to furloughed YX guys. Sounds like Republic is growing their training center. Thses guys gonna be management?

 

[chqflyer]

We are eagerly awaiting the 100% bust rate on all PC's and type rides. Sounds like some good times ahead.

 

[707eng]

If this is true, it could be a good deal for all involved. The YX guys get back to work, and you guys get to benefit from their experience.

 

[Minimaniac]

I am all for having experienced instructors. That said, I still think you ought to be a line pilot to qualify for check airman. When the YX guys get a number on the master list, then they are more than welcome to run the sims and all that. But RAH does not use "management" pilots for check airmen, and I don't want to start that precedent now. Line pilots look after line pilots. Management pilots do as they are told, or else they let go. That may not be the case everywhere, but at RAH, management dictates downward only. There is only one way to do things, and it is rarely your own.

I think the real thought to take away from all this is that RAH feels that they do not have nearly enough check airman in the short term. Our current check airmen are not really over worked, and there are still viable candidates on the line who would like to step up. I think there is some major need for high training output. Growth, perhaps. A rebid of seat/aircraft expected from the SLI arbitrator, possibly. But one thing is for sure, more check airmen means more training.

 

[likeitis]

I am all for having experienced instructors. That said, I still think you ought to be a line pilot to qualify for check airman. When the YX guys get a number on the master list, then they are more than welcome to run the sims and all that. But RAH does not use "management" pilots for check airmen, and I don't want to start that precedent now. Line pilots look after line pilots. Management pilots do as they are told, or else they let go. That may not be the case everywhere, but at RAH, management dictates downward only. There is only one way to do things, and it is rarely your own.

I think the real thought to take away from all this is that RAH feels that they do not have nearly enough check airman in the short term. Our current check airmen are not really over worked, and there are still viable candidates on the line who would like to step up. I think there is some major need for high training output. Growth, perhaps. A rebid of seat/aircraft expected from the SLI arbitrator, possibly. But one thing is for sure, more check airmen means more training.

Or maybe they are getting pressure to actually have a real training department. If the training department, if you can actually call it such, is anything like 7 years ago, it was a joke.

I guess in memory of the miracle of 30 years ago maybe BB will pull another one with the decision to put Midwest training department folks to work developing a real training department. By far best training I've come across.

 

[lookin4better]

I am all for having experienced instructors. That said, I still think you ought to be a line pilot to qualify for check airman. When the YX guys get a number on the master list, then they are more than welcome to run the sims and all that. But RAH does not use "management" pilots for check airmen, and I don't want to start that precedent now. Line pilots look after line pilots. Management pilots do as they are told, or else they let go. That may not be the case everywhere, but at RAH, management dictates downward only. There is only one way to do things, and it is rarely your own.

I think the real thought to take away from all this is that RAH feels that they do not have nearly enough check airman in the short term. Our current check airmen are not really over worked, and there are still viable candidates on the line who would like to step up. I think there is some major need for high training output. Growth, perhaps. A rebid of seat/aircraft expected from the SLI arbitrator, possibly. But one thing is for sure, more check airmen means more training.

They are "line" pilots, rememeber you stole their jobs for a fraction of the price. Maybe you will actually learn from them, I highly doubt they are going to be vindictive. They will most likely be nothing but professional. They deserve those jobs though.

 

[dougdrvr]

I am all for having experienced instructors. That said, I still think you ought to be a line pilot to qualify for check airman. When the YX guys get a number on the master list, then they are more than welcome to run the sims and all that. But RAH does not use "management" pilots for check airmen, and I don't want to start that precedent now. Line pilots look after line pilots. Management pilots do as they are told, or else they let go. That may not be the case everywhere, but at RAH, management dictates downward only. There is only one way to do things, and it is rarely your own.

I think the real thought to take away from all this is that RAH feels that they do not have nearly enough check airman in the short term. Our current check airmen are not really over worked, and there are still viable candidates on the line who would like to step up. I think there is some major need for high training output. Growth, perhaps. A rebid of seat/aircraft expected from the SLI arbitrator, possibly. But one thing is for sure, more check airmen means more training.

Totally agree that check airmen need to be line pilots but is this in your contract? And even if it is, RAH management seems to do whatever it wants and just thumbs it's nose at your contract. They seem enjoy flaunting their lack of respect for you guys. They are just dripping with arrogance.

 

[slackass]

Unbelievable! Midwest pilots taking jobs that Republic pilots want! Hey it's not the pilots fault. It's just company business. They have no say in who gets to be check airman. Those Midwest guys should refuse to take those jobs and......... oh, never mind.
Karma.

 

[scarlet]

Airtran has already hired several Midwest guys, and they start soon. Can see the AD already in MKE, Airtran hires laidoff Midwest pilots that Republic refused to hire.
Airtran keeping its promise to the MKE community !! Go theres nothing stopping you.

 

[AvroGuy]

They are "line" pilots, rememeber you stole their jobs for a fraction of the price. Maybe you will actually learn from them, I highly doubt they are going to be vindictive. They will most likely be nothing but professional. They deserve those jobs though.

Good Lord man...How did a line pilot steal another companies line pilot's job? Line pilots do not make the decision on what to fly, nor can they do anything about it. We do what we are told unless it is against the contract. That is just as bad as the rampers treating us bad because we, AE, start serving a city that is/was served by AA. It is marketing/customer who decides where we fly not the line pilot.

Here at Eagle, anyone in the training center is management. They have a senority number but it isn't used. The IOE/Line Check airman are line guys though.

 

[likeitis]

Good Lord man...How did a line pilot steal another companies line pilot's job? Line pilots do not make the decision on what to fly, nor can they do anything about it. We do what we are told unless it is against the contract. That is just as bad as the rampers treating us bad because we, AE, start serving a city that is/was served by AA. It is marketing/customer who decides where we fly not the line pilot.

Here at Eagle, anyone in the training center is management. They have a senority number but it isn't used. The IOE/Line Check airman are line guys though.

Are the people doing sim checks line guys? If not that is plain wrong.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Alaska used to do this stuff as a cost cutting measure. Hire guys at a fraction of Line Pilot salaries to do all the instruction EXCEPT the check rides. That way you don't have to pay Line Captain salaries for guys in the training center.

 

[GuinessGuy]

I lost interest with the "Midwest guys sealing RAH pilot jobs". GOOD GRIEF. Wow you guys amaze me..............TOOLS

 

[deadstick]

Airtran has already hired several Midwest guys, and they start soon. Can see the AD already in MKE, Airtran hires laidoff Midwest pilots that Republic refused to hire.
Airtran keeping its promise to the MKE community !! Go theres nothing stopping you.

I think Airtran should buy the billboards on 119 (road to MKE terminal) that once advertised the Signature seating. Hang those ads there.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I am all for having experienced instructors. That said, I still think you ought to be a line pilot to qualify for check airman. When the YX guys get a number on the master list, then they are more than welcome to run the sims and all that. But RAH does not use "management" pilots for check airmen, and I don't want to start that precedent now. Line pilots look after line pilots. Management pilots do as they are told, or else they let go. That may not be the case everywhere, but at RAH, management dictates downward only. There is only one way to do things, and it is rarely your own.

I think the real thought to take away from all this is that RAH feels that they do not have nearly enough check airman in the short term. Our current check airmen are not really over worked, and there are still viable candidates on the line who would like to step up. I think there is some major need for high training output. Growth, perhaps. A rebid of seat/aircraft expected from the SLI arbitrator, possibly. But one thing is for sure, more check airmen means more training.

This statement is not true. Most of the pilots giving checkrides are line pilots, but there are a few that never flew the line at Republic and are not on the list. Those pilots were hired strictly to give check rides in the sim.

 

[Anonymous2]

They are "line" pilots, rememeber you stole their jobs for a fraction of the price. Maybe you will actually learn from them, I highly doubt they are going to be vindictive. They will most likely be nothing but professional. They deserve those jobs though.

Apparently you didn't learn anything, since you're still talking about stolen jobs. Saying something like that just sounds very immature.

 

[CitationLover]

How would JG, Midwests old head of ground training, other job fit in with the Reverend? That would be funny!

 

[rogerwilcoout]

They are "line" pilots, rememeber you stole their jobs for a fraction of the price. Maybe you will actually learn from them, I highly doubt they are going to be vindictive. They will most likely be nothing but professional. They deserve those jobs though.

Yup, that's what I did. I walked right in there and said give me all your jobs. Totally my decision. Bedford asked what should he do and I told him "I got it" and took the airline over. That's what I did. You got me. Idiot!

 

[aewanabe]

I am all for having experienced instructors. That said, I still think you ought to be a line pilot to qualify for check airman. When the YX guys get a number on the master list, then they are more than welcome to run the sims and all that. But RAH does not use "management" pilots for check airmen, and I don't want to start that precedent now. Line pilots look after line pilots. Management pilots do as they are told, or else they let go. That may not be the case everywhere, but at RAH, management dictates downward only. There is only one way to do things, and it is rarely your own.

I think the real thought to take away from all this is that RAH feels that they do not have nearly enough check airman in the short term. Our current check airmen are not really over worked, and there are still viable candidates on the line who would like to step up. I think there is some major need for high training output. Growth, perhaps. A rebid of seat/aircraft expected from the SLI arbitrator, possibly. But one thing is for sure, more check airmen means more training.

MM, I stick up for you guys a lot but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here.

RAH has historically had guys off the seniority list doing sim rides, and for goodness sakes why not have some poor YX dudes fill the spot?! I don't think it was your intention, but seriously, some guys on the list are wanting LCA/SCA letters and might have to wait? That comes off as massively selfish. Seems like a small price to pay to get some guy who was royally screwed (NOT by the pilot group, but you get the point) off the street.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Yup, that's what I did. I walked right in there and said give me all your jobs. Totally my decision. Bedford asked what should he do and I told him "I got it" and took the airline over. That's what I did. You got me. Idiot!

Diet Coke sucks, but Coke Zero isn't that bad...Of course it still has Aspartame.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Diet Coke sucks, but Coke Zero isn't that bad...Of course it still has Aspartame.

Yup I told Coke to do that.

 

[Steveair]

Let's hope the RP guys get some instruction soon. Everytime day I fly, you hear them screwing something up. A few months ago, they almost killed 350 in LA. Last week, they were unable to track a radial to a VOR in a 190. Yesturday they nearly caused a runway incursion in MKE and decided it was a good idea to turn the nosewheel further if it's sliding and snow-plow with it.

 

[aewanabe]

Let's hope the RP guys get some instruction soon. Everytime day I fly, you hear them screwing something up. A few months ago, they almost killed 350 in LA. Last week, they were unable to track a radial to a VOR in a 190. Yesturday they nearly caused a runway incursion in MKE and decided it was a good idea to turn the nosewheel further if it's sliding and snow-plow with it.

Hey genious, karma says laughing at other's mistakes makes you doomed to repeat them.... By the way you can't track a VOR radial in the Ejet, although it can be set up using the RMI and HDG mode with about 10 keystrokes or so. But being the all-knowing tundra jet driver you knew that, right?

 

[jravi8tor]

How would JG, Midwests old head of ground training, other job fit in with the Reverend? That would be funny!

I can see it now, the video would be released with the title FLYING THE LINE (get on our laps and grab our sticks, you'll get a ride you'll never forget) starring all Skywest F/A's because RAH doesn't believe in quality control!

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Or maybe they are getting pressure to actually have a real training department. If the training department, if you can actually call it such, is anything like 7 years ago, it was a joke.

I guess in memory of the miracle of 30 years ago maybe BB will pull another one with the decision to put Midwest training department folks to work developing a real training department. By far best training I've come across.

Wow...You are just an idiot........

 

[tscarecrow]

Hey genious,

Misspelling 'genius' makes you a huge idiot, you know that, right?

By the way you can't track a VOR radial in the Ejet

Wrong again, moron... green needles?

Please stop flying airplanes, or stop posting... one or the other you dumb sh!t.

 

[likeitis]

Wow...You are just an idiot........

Okay S.H. Are we a little upset because you can't teach a dolphin to swim. I had better training at the hick part 61 school where I did my private.

 

[Jetjockey]

I'd give up FI and start studying now. Those will be fun checkrides I can assure you.

 

[aewanabe]

Misspelling 'genius' makes you a huge idiot, you know that, right?




Wrong again, moron... green needles?

Please stop flying airplanes, or stop posting... one or the other you dumb sh!t.

I'll admit to genius, a-hole. I saw that an hour later. No, you cannot TRACK a radial in the Ejet. Go ahead, try it sometime. You can, as I pointed out, use the RMI and heading mode (or green needles, if you prefer). Try again with the reading comprehension, and you might need some help reading that FCOM too.

PS; mindless bashing aside, I fully agree that RAH has no training department, merely a checking one. Any improvements in that score would be most welcome.

 

[CitationLover]

I can see it now, the video would be released with the title FLYING THE LINE (get on our laps and grab our sticks, you'll get a ride you'll never forget) starring all Skywest F/A's because RAH doesn't believe in quality control!

A scroll on a JG video

you think you've been f@#$ed by hoeksema?
you think you've been f@#$ed by bedford?

you ain't seen nothing yet.......


Best JG quote in ground school: "I hate bondage queens!"