Republic E-170/175 for Delta

[kiteflyer]

How many E-170 and or E-175's does Republic or Shuttle America operate for Delta?

Please Explain the Republic/Shuttle connection.

Does Shuttle operate the 170's and Republic the 175's?

Thanks

 

[Airline Driver]

Republic has 32 170's and 34 175's 2 or 3 more 175's are still coming for Republic for UsAir flying.
Shuttle has about 44 170's most are for United and I think 15-or 16 are for Delta. Shuttle is starting to take delivery of 175's in the 76 seat configuration starting I believe next month. As the 175's for shuttle start coming online the Delta 170's will be moved over to United flying. My numbers are a rough estimate I could be off a little.

 

[FlyingDawg]

Republic Airways Holdings has 3 subsidiaries: Chautauqua Airlines who operates 94 ERJ-145 family aircraft (37 to 50 seat), and 24 CRJ-200 (50 seat aircraft). Shuttle America operates the ERJ-170. Republic operate the ERJ-170 and ERJ-175. Shuttle and Republic operate 101 ERJ-170/175 aircraft between them.

29 firm new orders: 16 ERJ-170s will be replaced with 16 new ERJ-175s between July and March 2009. 10 of these removed aircraft will transition over to United flying. 13 new ERJ-175s will be sent to Republic for US Airways duty.

Beginning Sept 2008 15 ERJ-135 will be retired and sold to European operater at a rate of 2 aircraft per month. 24 CRJ-200 will be returned to lessor beginning 4th quarter 2008 through 2010.

Options on 74 ERJ-170 aircraft that can be converted to ERJ-175/190/195 ranging from 78 to 110 seats.

Dec 31, 2007 RAH had $164 million in the bank after spending $142 million to buy back stock on the open market. The BOD has also approved the buy back of an additional $100 million in stock. Profits in 2007 were just under $83 million, with net cash from operations of $280 million (funny how all that depreciation hides the real money trail).

 

[Speedtape]

Republic Airways Holdings has 3 subsidiaries: Chautauqua Airlines who operates 94 ERJ-145 family aircraft (37 to 50 seat), and 24 CRJ-200 (50 seat aircraft). Shuttle America operates the ERJ-170. Republic operate the ERJ-170 and ERJ-175. Shuttle and Republic operate 101 ERJ-170/175 aircraft between them.

29 firm new orders: 16 ERJ-170s will be replaced with 16 new ERJ-175s between July and March 2009. 10 of these removed aircraft will transition over to United flying. 13 new ERJ-175s will be sent to Republic for US Airways duty.

Beginning Sept 2008 15 ERJ-135 will be retired and sold to European operater at a rate of 2 aircraft per month. 24 CRJ-200 will be returned to lessor beginning 4th quarter 2008 through 2010.

Options on 74 ERJ-170 aircraft that can be converted to ERJ-175/190/195 ranging from 78 to 110 seats.

Dec 31, 2007 RAH had $164 million in the bank after spending $142 million to buy back stock on the open market. The BOD has also approved the buy back of an additional $100 million in stock. Profits in 2007 were just under $83 million, with net cash from operations of $280 million (funny how all that depreciation hides the real money trail).

Depreciation expense--The allocation of a portion of the cost of a capital asset, over it's useful life, which is applied as an expense in a given period that the capital asset was used to earn revenues. This concept matches expenses to the revenues earned in a given tax year. The method of depreciation and useful life are determined by IRS rules and are applied using general accounting principles to compute taxable income for a given period of time--the tax year.

In the airline business, you have to purchase or lease airplanes (capital assets) to carry passengers to earn revenues. If you purchase, then it only makes sense to apply a portion of the cost of the capital asset against revenues earned. Otherwise, you would be paying taxes on a higher amount. If you lease, then the lease payments are an expense that are applied against revenues for that given period of time.

There would not be a money trail, unless assets were purchased or leased. It costs money to make money. Profits or losses are determined by determining revenues and subtracting expenses.

 

[cmrflyer]

Whore jets rule!!!
Cant wait to under cut you at my next airline. I win bitches.
I"m going to under cut you so much that the price of fuel won't even count!!
Good luck weirdos.

 

[FSIGRAD]

Whore jets rule!!!
Cant wait to under cut you at my next airline. I win bitches.
I"m going to under cut you so much that the price of fuel won't even count!!
Good luck weirdos.

I have no idea what that was about....

However all is not sunshine and roses here at RAH. Anyone flying into PIT will see a forest of Frontier 170's in long term storage with no home. Management is spreading a gloom and doom message (we are in contract talks) and furloughs or out of senority terminations may be around the corner.

 

[kiteflyer]

Thanks all,

So.....Just checking my math here,

Only 16 E-170 100's-to be transfered to 200's-are operated for Delta.

Right?

I know this info has already been discussed here, I'm just to lazy to do a search!

How many Frontier planes are getting parked?
What does the rumor mill say will happen to them?
Delta/NWA, or United? New customer?

Thanks.

 

[king10pin02]

Thanks all,

So.....Just checking my math here,

Only 16 E-170 100's-to be transfered to 200's-are operated for Delta.

Right?

I know this info has already been discussed here, I'm just to lazy to do a search!

How many Frontier planes are getting parked?
What does the rumor mill say will happen to them?
Delta/NWA, or United? New customer?

Thanks.

F9 ops only had 12 planes up and running...all 12 parked. only 10 of the 16 delta 170s are going to united, the rest will be homeless just like the F9 planes. the other delta 170s were supposed to go to F9.

 

[FSIGRAD]

The is no such thing as a 170-100 or 200....

 

[king10pin02]

The is no such thing as a 170-100 or 200....

175s are technically ERJ-170-200s and the 170s are ERJ-170-100s. atleast thats what it says on the registration on the flight deck door.

 

[The Drizzle]

Whore jets rule!!!
Cant wait to under cut you at my next airline. I win bitches.
I"m going to under cut you so much that the price of fuel won't even count!!
Good luck weirdos.

Jesus Christ, you still on this?

 

[trainer8]

The is no such thing as a 170-100 or 200....

So, I see it's your first jet...

Hmmmmm....no -200 models you say?

You sure? :erm:

T8

 

[bailout]

OK, so, the 170/175s operated by RAH for USair are under "brickyard" and "shuttle" for DL, correct?

 

[meyers9163]

OK, so, the 170/175s operated by RAH for USair are under "brickyard" and "shuttle" for DL, correct?

Well Brickyard is one way of saying it... or Blockyard or Dickyard....

 

[Mel Sharples]

Management is spreading a gloom and doom message (we are in contract talks) and furloughs or out of senority terminations may be around the corner.

Good lord. You would think by now some management team would come up with a new one.

"Uhh, boss? It's negotiation time with the pilots."

"Ahh, yes. Please issue a memo saying airplanes will be returned, furloughs may commence, and our major airline partner wants to get rid of us."

Real fresh stuff. Give 'em hell.

 

[ttuite]

Republic has 32 170's and 34 175's 2 or 3 more 175's are still coming for Republic for UsAir flying.
Shuttle has about 44 170's most are for United and I think 15-or 16 are for Delta. Shuttle is starting to take delivery of 175's in the 76 seat configuration starting I believe next month. As the 175's for shuttle start coming online the Delta 170's will be moved over to United flying. My numbers are a rough estimate I could be off a little.

This could possibly be bad news for someone..... The new TA says that there will be a maximum of 120 71-76 seat aircraft. Compass has 36, Mesaba has 36, Pinnacle has 15, Mesa has 15, and Republic has 16?. That's 118. How many do Comair, Skywest/ASA have?

 

[meyers9163]

This could possibly be bad news for someone..... The new TA says that there will be a maximum of 120 71-76 seat aircraft. Compass has 36, Mesaba has 36, Pinnacle has 15, Mesa has 15, and Republic has 16?. That's 118. How many do Comair, Skywest/ASA have?

Now if that new TA is approved its about time. Lets all hope it is and this will be the new start to a better tomorrow for all involved.

 

[meyers9163]

Republic Airways Holdings has 3 subsidiaries: Chautauqua Airlines who operates 94 ERJ-145 family aircraft (37 to 50 seat), and 24 CRJ-200 (50 seat aircraft). Shuttle America operates the ERJ-170. Republic operate the ERJ-170 and ERJ-175. Shuttle and Republic operate 101 ERJ-170/175 aircraft between them.

29 firm new orders: 16 ERJ-170s will be replaced with 16 new ERJ-175s between July and March 2009. 10 of these removed aircraft will transition over to United flying. 13 new ERJ-175s will be sent to Republic for US Airways duty.

Beginning Sept 2008 15 ERJ-135 will be retired and sold to European operater at a rate of 2 aircraft per month. 24 CRJ-200 will be returned to lessor beginning 4th quarter 2008 through 2010.

Options on 74 ERJ-170 aircraft that can be converted to ERJ-175/190/195 ranging from 78 to 110 seats.

Dec 31, 2007 RAH had $164 million in the bank after spending $142 million to buy back stock on the open market. The BOD has also approved the buy back of an additional $100 million in stock. Profits in 2007 were just under $83 million, with net cash from operations of $280 million (funny how all that depreciation hides the real money trail).

You sound like you know your stuff. However I would also ask you to look into the agreements with mainline. Right now as already mentioned the new TA with DAL would mean someone is going to be left out. In addition the Airways agreement already has been exceeded. Therefore your saying you are going to place 13 new airframes with Airways is far off. Especially with the reductions happening at all Airways Express Carriers. I dont know for certain but I think your information was pre $141 a barrel oil.

As already mentioned look at PIT. How many planes are parked up there? Also you are all saying "oh its because we are in contract talks our mgt is threatening us." You also might want to realize its a new industry. You all expanded like mad and now cuts are happening. Its very possible for you all to lose flying. DAL can do stuff cheaper with Comair. If NWA/DAL does go through they already have Compass and Mesaba and Pinnacle to do flying. All of which do it at a cheaper price then you all. In addition the movement of Airways by Parker is to move the flying to PDT/PSA. Again we will see if that happens but again I stress your info seems to be the pre $140 a barrel state we are currently in. Also Airways will not allow ANY more planes into the express system. Mainline is already reduced as far as it can be thus the ratio of express/mainline planes is staying how it is right now unless mainline gets more planes. And I think we can all agree that isnt happening.

 

[Airline Driver]

This could possibly be bad news for someone..... The new TA says that there will be a maximum of 120 71-76 seat aircraft. Compass has 36, Mesaba has 36, Pinnacle has 15, Mesa has 15, and Republic has 16?. That's 118. How many do Comair, Skywest/ASA have?

I look at it this way. Things are going to get really really good for the regionals or really really bad. It's a 50/50 shot, who knows. I am staying positive but these "B!itch boards are tough to stay that way.

 

[Airline Driver]

OK, so, the 170/175s operated by RAH for USair are under "brickyard" and "shuttle" for DL, correct?

You Sir are correct, Republic fly's for UsAir callsign Brickyard. Shuttle fly's for United and Delta. Shuttle's Callsign is "Mercury".

 

[Airline Driver]

Well Brickyard is one way of saying it... or Blockyard or Dickyard....

What's your callsign Schmuck!! Cessna 12345. Seminol OU812. Oh yeah your on the CRJ so you must have come right out of a 152 into the Jet. The accadamy sill sending you the koolaid to your mommy and daddy's house so you can grow up big and strong?? uke: :laugh:

 

[FSIGRAD]

You sound like you know your stuff. However I would also ask you to look into the agreements with mainline. Right now as already mentioned the new TA with DAL would mean someone is going to be left out. In addition the Airways agreement already has been exceeded. Therefore your saying you are going to place 13 new airframes with Airways is far off. Especially with the reductions happening at all Airways Express Carriers. I dont know for certain but I think your information was pre $141 a barrel oil.

As already mentioned look at PIT. How many planes are parked up there? Also you are all saying "oh its because we are in contract talks our mgt is threatening us." You also might want to realize its a new industry. You all expanded like mad and now cuts are happening. Its very possible for you all to lose flying. DAL can do stuff cheaper with Comair. If NWA/DAL does go through they already have Compass and Mesaba and Pinnacle to do flying. All of which do it at a cheaper price then you all. In addition the movement of Airways by Parker is to move the flying to PDT/PSA. Again we will see if that happens but again I stress your info seems to be the pre $140 a barrel state we are currently in. Also Airways will not allow ANY more planes into the express system. Mainline is already reduced as far as it can be thus the ratio of express/mainline planes is staying how it is right now unless mainline gets more planes. And I think we can all agree that isnt happening.

I don't have the numbers but i doubt that Comair, Compass, Mesaba, or Pinchanickle are any cheaper than us....

 

[wmuflyguy]

I don't have the numbers but i doubt that Comair, Compass, Mesaba, or Pinchanickle are any cheaper than us....

You can think what you want, but that doesn't mean it is fact.

 

[Axel]

What's your callsign Schmuck!! ...

My guess is it's "Bluestreak."

 

[samballs]

I don't have the numbers but i doubt that Comair, Compass, Mesaba, or Pinchanickle are any cheaper than us....

Compass = new, way cheaper
Comair & Mesaba = BK, now half the cost we once were.

 

[hockeypilot44]

This is for all you Republic guys that haven't been there very long (under 5 years). When Chautauqua decided to park the Saabs, they fired every single probationary pilot on the Saab and let junior pilots on the 145 keep their jobs. Bedford was the CEO when this happened. During contract negotiations, they furloughed about 50 pilots for no reason other than to try and achieve some leverage. I am sure you have seen how the company treats displacements. There was an upgrade award out of seniority, then they tried to get us to pass a LOA allowing it after the fact. This same LOA was going to decrease the days off to 11 days a month. The sad thing is only about a third of the pilot group voted and of those, 20 percent voted for the LOA. This list goes on and on. My point is Republic is not a super company that can do no wrong. Bedford and company have wronged pilots before, and they will wrong pilots again especially if it affects the bottom line.

 

[BusDriver12]

This is for all you Republic guys that haven't been there very long (under 5 years). When Chautauqua decided to park the Saabs, they fired every single probationary pilot on the Saab and let junior pilots on the 145 keep their jobs. Bedford was the CEO when this happened. During contract negotiations, they furloughed about 50 pilots for no reason other than to try and achieve some leverage. I am sure you have seen how the company treats displacements. There was an upgrade award out of seniority, then they tried to get us to pass a LOA allowing it after the fact. This same LOA was going to decrease the days off to 11 days a month. The sad thing is only about a third of the pilot group voted and of those, 20 percent voted for the LOA. This list goes on and on. My point is Republic is not a super company that can do no wrong. Bedford and company have wronged pilots before, and they will wrong pilots again especially if it affects the bottom line.

very true, This company upgraded out of seniority for about a year. They will do whatever they want, and they know the union will do nothing about it.

 

[meyers9163]

What's your callsign Schmuck!! Cessna 12345. Seminol OU812. Oh yeah your on the CRJ so you must have come right out of a 152 into the Jet. The accadamy sill sending you the koolaid to your mommy and daddy's house so you can grow up big and strong?? uke: :laugh:

Oh the good ole Personal attacks from the one with Enough flight time? Actually during my 4 years of under grad while getting my Business Admin Degree and Psychology I flew at the FBO on the side. Throughout getting my ratings. So my flight time came over 5 years. But good attempt at the jab. Almost unique if it were to have been directed at an academy person and or you were the first to come up with it. ALMOST last time I checked didnt count in much though.

 

[meyers9163]

I don't have the numbers but i doubt that Comair, Compass, Mesaba, or Pinchanickle are any cheaper than us....

I can guarantee Comair and Mesaba are indeed. However you may be right about Compass. That's the only one I am uncertain about.

 

[CHQ Pilot]

This is for all you Republic guys that haven't been there very long (under 5 years). When Chautauqua decided to park the Saabs, they fired every single probationary pilot on the Saab and let junior pilots on the 145 keep their jobs. Bedford was the CEO when this happened. During contract negotiations, they furloughed about 50 pilots for no reason other than to try and achieve some leverage. I am sure you have seen how the company treats displacements. There was an upgrade award out of seniority, then they tried to get us to pass a LOA allowing it after the fact. This same LOA was going to decrease the days off to 11 days a month. The sad thing is only about a third of the pilot group voted and of those, 20 percent voted for the LOA. This list goes on and on. My point is Republic is not a super company that can do no wrong. Bedford and company have wronged pilots before, and they will wrong pilots again especially if it affects the bottom line.

I would add it is not just BB, but the entire crew that came from Mesaba. They have a good relationship and trust with each other. How about WH? I thought he always had the bigger control on the day to day ops while BB laid out the long term plans. The management team was put in place by Wexford to create profits (and an IPO). They did not come to CHQ (at the time) to hold hands with the employee groups. They have done a great job as a management team, but don't be jaded that they keep the employees best intentions at heart. Since BB and crew work for the shareholder things may not be so rosy. Stock is around the 52 wk low and I'm sure he is taking heat in a tough market. Selling of shares is routine as part of a compensation package, but it is interesting that more than one person dumped their shares before the stock price dropped. I don't think there is anything funny going on, just that they are wise to the market and know that things are going to get worse before they can get better.

While some can say the threats of furloughs and other extreme measures are the result of drawn out contract negotiations; take one look at the PIT ramp and wonder if that is really the case. One partner has pulled a contract, another may be on the verge of BK, one has merged, while another has said that they would have to charge over $600 a ticket to just break even, yet their avg ticket price is just over $300 because that is only what the market will bear. These are different times than the past, especially for the regionals. Even 70 seat aircraft have a hard time making money at todays spot prices.

I would say RAH is a decent place to be since they have a strong management team. The industry as a whole is not great right now and for possibly the first time the "regionals" are feeling it. I would have a a broader scope of perspective than "we have so many orders coming" or "we can convert them to 90+ seats" because the reality may be a lot different.