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meyers9163 said:
Well Brickyard is one way of saying it... or Blockyard or Dickyard....
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What's your callsign Schmuck!! Cessna 12345. Seminol OU812.:rolleyes: Oh yeah your on the CRJ so you must have come right out of a 152 into the Jet. The accadamy sill sending you the koolaid to your mommy and daddy's house so you can grow up big and strong?? :puke: :laugh:
 
meyers9163 said:
You sound like you know your stuff. However I would also ask you to look into the agreements with mainline. Right now as already mentioned the new TA with DAL would mean someone is going to be left out. In addition the Airways agreement already has been exceeded. Therefore your saying you are going to place 13 new airframes with Airways is far off. Especially with the reductions happening at all Airways Express Carriers. I dont know for certain but I think your information was pre $141 a barrel oil.

As already mentioned look at PIT. How many planes are parked up there? Also you are all saying "oh its because we are in contract talks our mgt is threatening us." You also might want to realize its a new industry. You all expanded like mad and now cuts are happening. Its very possible for you all to lose flying. DAL can do stuff cheaper with Comair. If NWA/DAL does go through they already have Compass and Mesaba and Pinnacle to do flying. All of which do it at a cheaper price then you all. In addition the movement of Airways by Parker is to move the flying to PDT/PSA. Again we will see if that happens but again I stress your info seems to be the pre $140 a barrel state we are currently in. Also Airways will not allow ANY more planes into the express system. Mainline is already reduced as far as it can be thus the ratio of express/mainline planes is staying how it is right now unless mainline gets more planes. And I think we can all agree that isnt happening.
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I don't have the numbers but i doubt that Comair, Compass, Mesaba, or Pinchanickle are any cheaper than us....
 
FSIGRAD said:
I don't have the numbers but i doubt that Comair, Compass, Mesaba, or Pinchanickle are any cheaper than us....
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You can think what you want, but that doesn't mean it is fact.
 
This is for all you Republic guys that haven't been there very long (under 5 years). When Chautauqua decided to park the Saabs, they fired every single probationary pilot on the Saab and let junior pilots on the 145 keep their jobs. Bedford was the CEO when this happened. During contract negotiations, they furloughed about 50 pilots for no reason other than to try and achieve some leverage. I am sure you have seen how the company treats displacements. There was an upgrade award out of seniority, then they tried to get us to pass a LOA allowing it after the fact. This same LOA was going to decrease the days off to 11 days a month. The sad thing is only about a third of the pilot group voted and of those, 20 percent voted for the LOA. This list goes on and on. My point is Republic is not a super company that can do no wrong. Bedford and company have wronged pilots before, and they will wrong pilots again especially if it affects the bottom line.
 
hockeypilot44 said:
This is for all you Republic guys that haven't been there very long (under 5 years). When Chautauqua decided to park the Saabs, they fired every single probationary pilot on the Saab and let junior pilots on the 145 keep their jobs. Bedford was the CEO when this happened. During contract negotiations, they furloughed about 50 pilots for no reason other than to try and achieve some leverage. I am sure you have seen how the company treats displacements. There was an upgrade award out of seniority, then they tried to get us to pass a LOA allowing it after the fact. This same LOA was going to decrease the days off to 11 days a month. The sad thing is only about a third of the pilot group voted and of those, 20 percent voted for the LOA. This list goes on and on. My point is Republic is not a super company that can do no wrong. Bedford and company have wronged pilots before, and they will wrong pilots again especially if it affects the bottom line.
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very true, This company upgraded out of seniority for about a year. They will do whatever they want, and they know the union will do nothing about it.
 
Airline Driver said:
What's your callsign Schmuck!! Cessna 12345. Seminol OU812.:rolleyes: Oh yeah your on the CRJ so you must have come right out of a 152 into the Jet. The accadamy sill sending you the koolaid to your mommy and daddy's house so you can grow up big and strong?? :puke: :laugh:
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Oh the good ole Personal attacks from the one with Enough flight time? Actually during my 4 years of under grad while getting my Business Admin Degree and Psychology I flew at the FBO on the side. Throughout getting my ratings. So my flight time came over 5 years. But good attempt at the jab. Almost unique if it were to have been directed at an academy person and or you were the first to come up with it. ALMOST last time I checked didnt count in much though.
 
FSIGRAD said:
I don't have the numbers but i doubt that Comair, Compass, Mesaba, or Pinchanickle are any cheaper than us....
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I can guarantee Comair and Mesaba are indeed. However you may be right about Compass. That's the only one I am uncertain about.
 
hockeypilot44 said:
This is for all you Republic guys that haven't been there very long (under 5 years). When Chautauqua decided to park the Saabs, they fired every single probationary pilot on the Saab and let junior pilots on the 145 keep their jobs. Bedford was the CEO when this happened. During contract negotiations, they furloughed about 50 pilots for no reason other than to try and achieve some leverage. I am sure you have seen how the company treats displacements. There was an upgrade award out of seniority, then they tried to get us to pass a LOA allowing it after the fact. This same LOA was going to decrease the days off to 11 days a month. The sad thing is only about a third of the pilot group voted and of those, 20 percent voted for the LOA. This list goes on and on. My point is Republic is not a super company that can do no wrong. Bedford and company have wronged pilots before, and they will wrong pilots again especially if it affects the bottom line.
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I would add it is not just BB, but the entire crew that came from Mesaba. They have a good relationship and trust with each other. How about WH? I thought he always had the bigger control on the day to day ops while BB laid out the long term plans. The management team was put in place by Wexford to create profits (and an IPO). They did not come to CHQ (at the time) to hold hands with the employee groups. They have done a great job as a management team, but don't be jaded that they keep the employees best intentions at heart. Since BB and crew work for the shareholder things may not be so rosy. Stock is around the 52 wk low and I'm sure he is taking heat in a tough market. Selling of shares is routine as part of a compensation package, but it is interesting that more than one person dumped their shares before the stock price dropped. I don't think there is anything funny going on, just that they are wise to the market and know that things are going to get worse before they can get better.

While some can say the threats of furloughs and other extreme measures are the result of drawn out contract negotiations; take one look at the PIT ramp and wonder if that is really the case. One partner has pulled a contract, another may be on the verge of BK, one has merged, while another has said that they would have to charge over $600 a ticket to just break even, yet their avg ticket price is just over $300 because that is only what the market will bear. These are different times than the past, especially for the regionals. Even 70 seat aircraft have a hard time making money at todays spot prices.

I would say RAH is a decent place to be since they have a strong management team. The industry as a whole is not great right now and for possibly the first time the "regionals" are feeling it. I would have a a broader scope of perspective than "we have so many orders coming" or "we can convert them to 90+ seats" because the reality may be a lot different.
 
meyers9163 said:
I can guarantee Comair and Mesaba are indeed. However you may be right about Compass. That's the only one I am uncertain about.
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How can you guarantee that? Lot's of factors go into costs. Comair and Mesaba have very top heavy seniority lists. Comair has a lot of old airplanes, Mesaba has what 36 900's?. How many 170/175's (or 100/200 models if your a geek) does RAH operate? There are some economies of scale.
 
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FSIGRAD said:
How can you guarantee that? Lot's of factors go into costs. Comair and Mesaba have very top heavy seniority lists. Comair has a lot of old airplanes, Mesaba has what 36 900's?. How many 170/175's (or 100/200 models if your a geek) does RAH operate? There are some economies of scale.
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Well do I really need to go into the world of a wholly own with comair? Guess so since you are asking. Comair by being a wholly owned only has their gas paid for and their pilots and thats it. At the end of the day they pay their bills and the excess cash goes right back to DAL. To me last time I checked any money left over with RAH doesnt go into DALs checking account now does it? Why do you think Comair was doing so much hiring just recently? The fact is when DAL can get the Pinnacle/Freedom flying away they were planning on placing a good amount with Comair due to the fact of the lower operating cost.
 
meyers9163 said:
Well do I really need to go into the world of a wholly own with comair? Guess so since you are asking. Comair by being a wholly owned only has their gas paid for and their pilots and thats it. At the end of the day they pay their bills and the excess cash goes right back to DAL. To me last time I checked any money left over with RAH doesnt go into DALs checking account now does it? Why do you think Comair was doing so much hiring just recently? The fact is when DAL can get the Pinnacle/Freedom flying away they were planning on placing a good amount with Comair due to the fact of the lower operating cost.
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and now comair is most likely furloughing in sept...
 
el diablo126 said:
and now comair is most likely furloughing in sept...
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As is AWAC, PSA, Colgan (this fall) and others to name a few. To be hoenst RAH is not probably too far behind. Time will tell. Only reason Comair is going to be is due to Freedom/Pinnacle not losing the flying. Who knows what will happen. Shall find out shortly.
 
T-Gates said:
The fact that you're flying the airplane and don't know that there are -100's and 200's (And think that someone is a "geek" for knowing that) scares me.
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I'm always happy to add more useless trivia to memory. I'm thinking on the days that I fly the 200 I'll turn my shoulder boards backwards so no one will think I'm a loser 100 driver.....
 

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