Replacement AC SWA 717 to DL

[GIZMONC]

Only 11 FL 737's will be converted this year. The 42 other FL 737's will be used for international flying until the end of 2014 . In 2015 the 42 FL 737's will be used to replace the 42 737-300 being held to cover 717 off load. From what I understand for every 6 717's, off loaded 3 737-300's and 1 737-800 will be the replacement. WN has pushed out somewhere around 50 planned 737-300 retirements that where scheduled 2013 and 2014 until 2015 and 2016. The 737-300 retirements plus planned 737-800 deliveries will replace the 717's then the 42 remaining FL 737 birds will replace the WN 737-300 in 2014 2015. NO new additional planes other than the current 737-800 planned delivery in 2013 and 2014. This year out of the 53 FL 737-700'S only 11 will be converted to WN. The remaining 42 FL 737-700's will be used for international operations until the end of 2014 and 2015. Once the 717 off load to Delta is done and WN new reservations system up and running. WN will start to transition FL international flying to WN the 42 FL remaining 737-700 will be converted into WN. These 42 737-700 will replace the 42 737-300 retirement that where pushed out to replace the 717's.

6 - 717 = 702 seats

3 -737-300 = 429 seats ( providing they get Evolve interiors)

1 -737-800 = 175 seats NET LOSS 98 seats total

 

[Whine Lover]

I'm sorry....we were told there would be no math here.

 

[scoreboardII]

I'll say it, it's all AirTran pilots fault for being so enticingly valuable.

 

[Old School 737]

Would have been easier / better but way more expensive to buy Alaska than AirTran ...

 

[Ty Webb]

I'll say it, it's all AirTran pilots fault for being so enticingly valuable.

Plus, we're charming and delightful.

 

[humveedriver]

I think that was last weeks plan. The latest union update we got tonight said, look for one class a month in 2013 that gets ramped up to 2 classes or more. Said we should all be done by "next" July which I interpreted to mean July 2014. So that would mean parking 717s in order to do that. Would be neat to see SWA get serious about the integration from the pilot side of the house.

 

[PanPan]

Actually it said: From now until next July, expect training bids of one class per month, increasing to two or more per month until AirTran is completely dissolved.

I think they mean classes will increase to two or more a month starting in July. That lines up with what was told to us in recurrent a week ago.

 

[Full of LUV]

I'll say it, it's all AirTran pilots fault for being so enticingly valuable.

It's SWA/SWAPA fault for keeping them that way..... Airtran pilots are SWA's "labor hedge" for the next few years now that the fuel hedges have run their course.

 

[Lear70]

Actually it said: From now until next July, expect training bids of one class per month, increasing to two or more per month until AirTran is completely dissolved.

I think they mean classes will increase to two or more a month starting in July. That lines up with what was told to us in recurrent a week ago.

That's correct, except that in some months as the 717 starts going away there will be two classes per month until July. That's in the letter from Russ as well that's in your eDocs on Flica (look at the number of pilots per month, when it's 48 instead of 24, that's two classes per month staggered 2 weeks apart).

Was just in the union office two days ago after my PC doing CCC stuff and was discussing this issue with our new NC chair and attorney, mainly that the glacial pace of pilot transfers is resulting in heavy overstaffing here and how that will change with the desk letter that just came out (only affects summer month staffing), the class transitions next year through July, and the busy summer months and subsequent fall-off next September (it won't be as dramatic as it was this year when almost half the airline was on reserve).

We stil don't have an idea of how they're going to get it done with the number of people we'll have left at AirTran after June (they'll have to go to AT LEAST 3 classes per month) or what they're going to do with the 717's that still have to transition to Delta in 2015.

Basically the DR process continues as mentioned in the letter last night and there's nothing new to report.

 

[Lear70]

Only 11 FL 737's will be converted this year. The 42 other FL 737's will be used for international flying until the end of 2014 . In 2015 the 42 FL 737's will be used to replace the 42 737-300 being held to cover 717 off load.

That's not entirely correct.

Those 42 FL 737's will be coming across the partition in the last half of 2014. There won't be any on-property at AAI on 1/1/15. This, of course, assuming the Int'l Res system comes up on-schedule and with an outside vendor being utilized, there's no reason to think it won't.

From what I understand for every 6 717's, off loaded 3 737-300's and 1 737-800 will be the replacement.

Source? Haven't heard any of that.

WN has pushed out somewhere around 50 planned 737-300 retirements that where scheduled 2013 and 2014 until 2015 and 2016.

Again, source? Haven't heard a firm retirement date on any of the Classics that had their retirement deferred.

The 737-300 retirements plus planned 737-800 deliveries will replace the 717's then the 42 remaining FL 737 birds will replace the WN 737-300 in 2014 2015.

Not really following you here. Your math says -6 717's and -3 Classics = -9 hulls plus adding 1 -800 is a total LOSS of 8 aircraft, how does that "replace" lost 717's?

NO new additional planes other than the current 737-800 planned delivery in 2013 and 2014. This year out of the 53 FL 737-700'S only 11 will be converted to WN.

As previously-planned and mentioned on here. 86 total -800's coming in 2012, 2013, and 2014, 88 717's leaving in 2013, 2014, and 2015.

The remaining 42 FL 737-700's will be used for international operations until the end of 2014 and 2015.

Source? SWA management brief to us as of 2 days ago was still on track for SWA to take over our Int'l cities by the end of 2014 on-schedule.

Once the 717 off load to Delta is done and WN new reservations system up and running. WN will start to transition FL international flying to WN the 42 FL remaining 737-700 will be converted into WN. These 42 737-700 will replace the 42 737-300 retirement that where pushed out to replace the 717's.

Again, this is not what we were told as of just a couple days ago. Source, please? Because, if true, AAI will end up holding on to several hundred CA seats. On 1/1/15, if they're still a CA, they stay CA because of their ability to bid 737 SWA CA on transition after 1/1/15 per the SIA.

6 - 717 = 702 seats

3 -737-300 = 429 seats ( providing they get Evolve interiors)

1 -737-800 = 175 seats NET LOSS 98 seats total

If that's the schedule, then yes, as the last of the 717's go away to Delta in 2015 and if what you're saying is correct (excluding the dates) and they start retiring 50 or so Classics at 3 per month in 2015 and 2016, then in 2015 we will start a pretty sizable decrease in total lift in the system as well as total hulls, barring an additional -800 delivery schedule that offsets it.

Not pretty if true. Personally, I didn't think the Classic retirement would be that aggressive or start that soon without an additional delivery schedule of -800's from Boeing to offset the loss of that many ASM's.