Regionals (Eagle) to start sheding Senion Pilots

[Gr82Aviate]

They won't go anywhere near BK over this issue.

The reason is it's not enough of a drag on AMR. BK would mean management gives up control and the books are opened to outsiders. That's why AMR resisted BK when they could have benefitted with more desireable rules when everyone else was playing that card.

No BK unless financial disaster, i.e. aviation terrorism.

This is just another attempt to get their desires as cheap as possible in the hope it has some benefit. In this instance it won't.

They'll clean out a handful of senior pilots and then it will be deemed the faliure it is doomed to. Nice idea in theory, but impractical in reality.

10K/month, dollar for dollar 8% 401(k) match, 16 days off and I drive 1/2 hour to work.

Thanks for the offer of Newark or Detroit crashpads for 30K/year and pensionless abuse, but again............I (and virtually every other geezer) will pass.

On to a more important subject......................

A little off the topic, but any chance any of you "geezers" know if H.M. still works for AE? He started out when it was still Wings West about 20+ years ago?...

 

[DrewBlows]

Eaglefly, would you consider leaving for a buyout? How much would it take? $3,000 per year of service, say everyone over 10 years is eligible? Just throwing out numbers.

 

[eaglefly]

Eaglefly, would you consider leaving for a buyout? How much would it take? $3,000 per year of service, say everyone over 10 years is eligible? Just throwing out numbers.

$60,000 (42,000 or less after taxes)?

That's six months pay (actually less).

What would I do for the next 15-20 years ?

I broke my ass here for 2 decades to be pushed aside for peanuts so someone else can upgrade faster to accelerate THEIR career ?

That's what 20 years of work has gotten me ?

If you reread what many of us make, you'd see that would be ludicrous. We make that because Mangemant promised us a CAREER when we signed that POS 16 year contract that everybody laughs at. Now, many of us have that promised career and expect nothing more or less than what we were promised.

Why is Eagle different from UAL or Fed Ex ? Should we advocate elimination of their senior pilots because it's in managments best financial interest OR because junior pilots may upgrade quicker ?

Of course not.

We need MORE career regionals (like everybody clamored for over the last 5-10 years), not less.

WHAT it would take is unfortunately a moot point, because this company would NEVER agree to anything close to what WOULD entice very senior pilots into early retirement.

It would have to BE something like early retirement, not a fleabag lowball fewbucks buyout or an overinflated offer for assistance to go somewhere else.

That's why everyone, pilots, ALPA and mangement alike should accept the futility of this "offer".

Can't blame them for trying, but really, it's dead on arrival.

 

[Flyer1015]

eaglefly, how long have you been with Eagle?

Did you start with Executive, Simmons, Command, ... or ?

 

[www.]

Fins,

The ASA and Skywest pilots do not know the meaning of whipsaw when compared to Eagle. Just ask anyone who was there when Wings West, Simmons, etc were merged. It happened during Crandall's tenure and defines whipsaw.

Goat

Ahh, those were the good days. Bob started a great deal of things. FF programs and whipsaw.

 

[Diesel]

What does an 18 year captain make at eagle? If they spent 18 years there they aren't leaving something has kept them there for that long.

I can't imagine what though.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

ooops

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Diesel,

Didn't you read his post? $120,000 a year, great schedules and lots of time off with 100% match 401k up to 8%. Unless you are still in your 30's there are only a few places you can go and catch up to that, plus you QOL (have to commute, fly back side of the clock, bottom of the seniority list) will suck even if you can get on with UPS or FEX. I understood him just fine.

 

[Flyby1206]

To eaglefly or any other 18yr+ CAs, how much (if any amount at all) would it take to make flowthrough a feasible choice? $60k to go to AA?

 

[Wankel7]

I am with the Eagle pilots...why would you want to leave with QOL like that? And after it took that many years to arrive at that point?

If Eagle management really wants to realize their goals of shedding the senior workforce. It seems like they would have to pay a large buyout to the pilots and get then to AA at nearly their equal pay rates...LOL...right

Spend that long earning QOL like that? I wouldn't budge either!

 

[AAsRedHeadedbro]

I echo the sentiment. I've been at Eagle for about 16 years and spent the first seven as an FO, which basically precluded me from getting a job at a major due to not having the requisite 1000 hours turbine PIC that most majors required. I finally upgraded in '98 and then took almost two years to get the 1000 PIC, so I wasn't really a competitive candidate until about mid 2000 (at least according to the HR types at the majors who decided that 1000 PIC turbine is the magic number that makes one a viable candidate for a job at their airline, irrespective of the fact that I and many others had 5000 hours of Part 121 SIC, but I digress). By that time I was becoming choosy about just who I'd work for due to the fact that my wife and I started to carve out a nice comfortable life for ourselves and I was starting to make a decent living and have a good QOL with no commute in SoCal. Basically, UAL and AAL were the only airlines I was willing to leave Eagle for by that time (although I probably should have jumped at the chance to be one of the first hired at JetBlue, but hindsight is always 20/20, I suppose).

9/11 happened and that was that. I hunkered down at Eagle, transitioned over to the Embraer jet, became a check airman a couple of years ago and am now making more than 100K/year and still have a good QOL. My wife's income as a Neo-Natal Intensive Care nurse almost matches mine so we do just fine financially.

I'm comfortable and at this point in my life it would be suicidal to my income, QOL and marriage to take a new hire position at UAL, etc. It would simply not be a good idea for me.

Honestly, the only airline I would consider going to would be AA, and it seems I may end up there anyway due to the fact I am a flowthrough in my early forties. If not, C' est la vie. I have other interests in my life that occupy a lot more of my off time than thinking about flying and wondering if I'll ever get that job with a major. Honestly, my life is a lot more tranquil now than it was ten years ago when I spent every waking minute trying to figure out how to get a job with a major. It was exhausting.

 

[druglord]

ah there's where u went wrong AA...
-current requirements are... parent/acquaintance in upper management
-internship
-prefer 1500 TT

 

[Diesel]

100k a year is doing well?

Thats Year 5 capt pay at a fractional.

I can understand the qol issue. That is a big issue for me but trying to say that 100k is good pay for 18 years there....

 

[Flybet3]

100k a year is doing well?

Thats Year 5 capt pay at a fractional.

I can understand the qol issue. That is a big issue for me but trying to say that 100k is good pay for 18 years there....

With all do respect man, if you can't make it with 100k a year, (8333.33 a month)then you need to tell your wife that she doesnt need that SUV for the only 1 kid you have, and she needs to stop pissing your money away on BS like AVON, Mary Kay and sh**. And you need to get out of that 6 bedroom house when it's only 3 of you. You dont need 4 cars either chump. Now if you live in the North East or West Coast then MOVE!!! Yeah, 150K is better than 100K, 200k is waaaaaay better than 100K but my god man! If you're strugling with 100k I cant wait to see you when you get furloughed and have to try to make it with home depot salary. Greedy d*****

 

[Flooder305]

Just because you preface a statement with "with all do respect" doesn't absolve you of the responsibility of the words you just said. Who are you to dictate to this guy and call names about what slice of America he can or should have? Your own jealousy and envy clouds your mind and you need to check yourself right here. Personally if you said that to my face you'd be swallowing chiclets....

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