Regionals (Eagle) to start sheding Senion Pilots

[Diesel]

What does an 18 year captain make at eagle? If they spent 18 years there they aren't leaving something has kept them there for that long.

I can't imagine what though.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

ooops

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Diesel,

Didn't you read his post? $120,000 a year, great schedules and lots of time off with 100% match 401k up to 8%. Unless you are still in your 30's there are only a few places you can go and catch up to that, plus you QOL (have to commute, fly back side of the clock, bottom of the seniority list) will suck even if you can get on with UPS or FEX. I understood him just fine.

 

[Flyby1206]

To eaglefly or any other 18yr+ CAs, how much (if any amount at all) would it take to make flowthrough a feasible choice? $60k to go to AA?

 

[Wankel7]

I am with the Eagle pilots...why would you want to leave with QOL like that? And after it took that many years to arrive at that point?

If Eagle management really wants to realize their goals of shedding the senior workforce. It seems like they would have to pay a large buyout to the pilots and get then to AA at nearly their equal pay rates...LOL...right

Spend that long earning QOL like that? I wouldn't budge either!

 

[AAsRedHeadedbro]

I echo the sentiment. I've been at Eagle for about 16 years and spent the first seven as an FO, which basically precluded me from getting a job at a major due to not having the requisite 1000 hours turbine PIC that most majors required. I finally upgraded in '98 and then took almost two years to get the 1000 PIC, so I wasn't really a competitive candidate until about mid 2000 (at least according to the HR types at the majors who decided that 1000 PIC turbine is the magic number that makes one a viable candidate for a job at their airline, irrespective of the fact that I and many others had 5000 hours of Part 121 SIC, but I digress). By that time I was becoming choosy about just who I'd work for due to the fact that my wife and I started to carve out a nice comfortable life for ourselves and I was starting to make a decent living and have a good QOL with no commute in SoCal. Basically, UAL and AAL were the only airlines I was willing to leave Eagle for by that time (although I probably should have jumped at the chance to be one of the first hired at JetBlue, but hindsight is always 20/20, I suppose).

9/11 happened and that was that. I hunkered down at Eagle, transitioned over to the Embraer jet, became a check airman a couple of years ago and am now making more than 100K/year and still have a good QOL. My wife's income as a Neo-Natal Intensive Care nurse almost matches mine so we do just fine financially.

I'm comfortable and at this point in my life it would be suicidal to my income, QOL and marriage to take a new hire position at UAL, etc. It would simply not be a good idea for me.

Honestly, the only airline I would consider going to would be AA, and it seems I may end up there anyway due to the fact I am a flowthrough in my early forties. If not, C' est la vie. I have other interests in my life that occupy a lot more of my off time than thinking about flying and wondering if I'll ever get that job with a major. Honestly, my life is a lot more tranquil now than it was ten years ago when I spent every waking minute trying to figure out how to get a job with a major. It was exhausting.

 

[druglord]

ah there's where u went wrong AA...
-current requirements are... parent/acquaintance in upper management
-internship
-prefer 1500 TT

 

[Diesel]

100k a year is doing well?

Thats Year 5 capt pay at a fractional.

I can understand the qol issue. That is a big issue for me but trying to say that 100k is good pay for 18 years there....

 

[Flybet3]

100k a year is doing well?

Thats Year 5 capt pay at a fractional.

I can understand the qol issue. That is a big issue for me but trying to say that 100k is good pay for 18 years there....

With all do respect man, if you can't make it with 100k a year, (8333.33 a month)then you need to tell your wife that she doesnt need that SUV for the only 1 kid you have, and she needs to stop pissing your money away on BS like AVON, Mary Kay and sh**. And you need to get out of that 6 bedroom house when it's only 3 of you. You dont need 4 cars either chump. Now if you live in the North East or West Coast then MOVE!!! Yeah, 150K is better than 100K, 200k is waaaaaay better than 100K but my god man! If you're strugling with 100k I cant wait to see you when you get furloughed and have to try to make it with home depot salary. Greedy d*****

 

[Flooder305]

Just because you preface a statement with "with all do respect" doesn't absolve you of the responsibility of the words you just said. Who are you to dictate to this guy and call names about what slice of America he can or should have? Your own jealousy and envy clouds your mind and you need to check yourself right here. Personally if you said that to my face you'd be swallowing chiclets....

Post reported.

 

[Flybet3]

Just because you preface a statement with "with all do respect" doesn't absolve you of the responsibility of the words you just said. Who are you to dictate to this guy and call names about what slice of America he can or should have? Your own jealousy and envy clouds your mind and you need to check yourself right here. Personally if you said that to my face you'd be swallowing chiclets....

Post reported.

well with all do respect you get can go ******* yourself. What are you talking about jealousy?Jelaousy over what chump? Am I stepping on your toes? and yeah I will say it to your face and I think you'd be the toothless one here chump. So bring it. Maricon

 

[Diesel]

With all do respect man, if you can't make it with 100k a year, (8333.33 a month)then you need to tell your wife that she doesnt need that SUV for the only 1 kid you have, and she needs to stop pissing your money away on BS like AVON, Mary Kay and sh**. And you need to get out of that 6 bedroom house when it's only 3 of you. You dont need 4 cars either chump. Now if you live in the North East or West Coast then MOVE!!! Yeah, 150K is better than 100K, 200k is waaaaaay better than 100K but my god man! If you're strugling with 100k I cant wait to see you when you get furloughed and have to try to make it with home depot salary. Greedy d*****

You're kidding right? I mean seriously do you believe the crap you just said? Or is what you have to tell yourself when you try to explain to your wife why you can't go on those trips, own that second house, the nice car. He hun we live in the middle of nowhere but we're doing it on 100k a year, aren't we happy? Eeecch

I'm not struggling at all with the 100k I make. I also enjoy the finer things in life that come with making more than 100k. Sorry if it irks you because there are have and have not's. If i get furloughed or fired I won't be working at home depot.

Good luck to you. Maybe you can scrape some pennies together and take the kidies out for a mcflurry in your gay electric car.

Respectfully-
A pilot that knows his worth and who enjoys the better things in life.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Respectfully-
A pilot that knows his worth and who enjoys the better things in life.

I think what you said sound pretty worthless to me. Anybody that judges their life or others by how much money they make has some real issues. No amount of money makes up for the really important things in life. Usually "the finer things in life" are just used by people to make up for their shortcomings and justify their shallow lives. Good luck with the pursuit of stuff if that is what you idolize.
The two guys from eagle sound like they are going after the right prize, a great family which they will be an active participant.

 

[eaglefly]

I think what you said sound pretty worthless to me. Anybody that judges their life or others by how much money they make has some real issues. No amount of money makes up for the really important things in life. Usually "the finer things in life" are just used by people to make up for their shortcomings and justify their shallow lives. Good luck with the pursuit of stuff if that is what you idolize.
The two guys from eagle sound like they are going after the right prize, a great family which they will be an active participant.

I'd have to agree.

Sadly, there are people in this world who apparently don't get the fickleness of life and the world of duality. Right now, he's apparently on top of the world. Next week, a loved one could be diagnosed with terminal cancer or lose their life outright in a manner that doesn't make sense. A TOTAL financial issue could place them in places he never dreamed.

It's easy to "rate" yourself against others in this world in the hope of convincing yourself that you are more worthy then "them". It's the same reason pilots at majors belittle senior regional pilots as defective because they look at their lives and the world differently with a different set of values and belittle them for not seeing the world according to them. Come to think of it, that's what Al-Queada does when it looks at the U.S.

There are parallels there. It's an illusion, but too many people are only comfortable in their illusions.

Many people are "doing well" on 100K/year and many making twice that are up to their a$$ in debt. Many people making 60K/year exist in content and happiness, much to the disgust of other "dieselites".

A sad fact of life it is.

BTW, 3,359 posts in almost 6 years equals about 560 posts/year or about 47 posts/week. I think someone has TOO much time on their hands and needs more productivity in their life instead on cyberdeadbeatism.

 

[Diesel]

Since when did life become about material things. I'm lucky enough to be able to have both an excellent QOL.

I even took a paycut to make my OOL better. Flybet saying 100k should be enough and you should be happy is good for him but I want better for my family. Both in terms of QOL and pay. The two don't go hand in hand but sometimes just sometimes you are lucky and worked hard to have both.

I lost my father recently and was lucky enough both being with a great qol company and also in a financial position to take a year off and get his affairs in order. You can't do that under a mountain of debt....

respectfully
a pilot who knows his worth and QOL and fights for them both.

 

[eaglefly]

Since when did life become about material things. I'm lucky enough to be able to have both an excellent QOL.

I even took a paycut to make my OOL better. Flybet saying 100k should be enough and you should be happy is good for him but I want better for my family. Both in terms of QOL and pay. The two don't go hand in hand but sometimes just sometimes you are lucky and worked hard to have both.

I lost my father recently and was lucky enough both being with a great qol company and also in a financial position to take a year off and get his affairs in order. You can't do that under a mountain of debt....

respectfully
a pilot who knows his worth and QOL and fights for them both.

I wouldn't argue with THAT.

But what gives you the right to judge others happiness ?

Why do you apparently believe it a requirement that THEIR happiness is something you quantify based on YOUR ideals ?

Seems a bit self-centered and presumptuous to me.

 

[rumrnr78]

How many people pay the money we do for education and then think 100k is the pot at the end of the rainbow?
My brother (after 5 years of great sales in a different industry) started this year in medical sales, 90k to start plus car, gas, expenses account.
We, as a professional whole, are chumps!!
Somehow, I got with a company that treats me like an executive first, then a pilot.
The jobs are out there, and an 18 year pay scale does not mean they want you to stay. I was 36 when I upgraded at ASA and almost thought it as a career airline because of the great DFW crews and schedules (even naps were good)! After being forced to ATL I quickly changed my mind!! Fly safe- Rum

 

[Diesel]

I'm not saying at 100k you're not happy but if you go back to my beginning post i pointed out that 100k for 18 years of service WTFO.

 

[rptrain]

100k a year is doing well?

Thats Year 5 capt pay at a fractional.

there are lies, damn lies, and...

avantair - $72,000
citationshares - $91,000
flexjet (lear) - $87,776
flight options (small) - $66,372
netjets (560/400) - $90,000

stupid senior eagle guys being happy with $100k. if they'd just get with the program they could make that much again in 10 years at a fractional.

 

[Diesel]

You're looking at the 7n7

Reserve is 106,810

Thats without overtime which i don't count but there is a ton of it.

Compared to Year 5 Capt on the 700 (are there any) which is 71 an hour. Year 18 is 98 an hour.

A year 18 captain would be on the BBJ but lets say he likes the EASY so it would be 167k 7n7 or reserve 198k with 4 weeks of vacation. Every week of vacation is 3 weeks off.

7n7 6 months of work.
3 weeks of vacation=5 months 1 week
2 weeks of sick time= 4 months 3 weeks
2 weeks of training (aircraft)= 4 months 1 week
1 week of company recurrent= 4months

Now thats QOL