Regionals doing INT'L flying

[wms]

Is SJU considered international now?

And GO flies in Hawaii.

St. Croix is a US Island.

And most Caribbean flying is in radar coverage. You might not have radar coverage in the terminal environment, but there are US airports where you don't either. In the islands where there is no radar, there is usually nothing to run into and non-radar just means no one sees your mistakes.

There aren't many places left in the northern part of the western hemisphere that would be considered non-radar to the extent of position reporting, blind transmissions, cumulo-granite if you're off-course, etc.

 

[aa73]

There aren't many places left in the northern part of the western hemisphere that would be considered non-radar to the extent of position reporting, blind transmissions, cumulo-granite if you're off-course, etc.

Anything running north out of SJU along WATRS is non radar and requires position reports. Just didn't know if any regionals did that sort of thing, such as IAD-SJU (wouldn't surprise me at all to see a UAX 170 on that...)

 

[701EV]

Atlantic Southeast, use to do, STX, JPS, BQN, BPV, MID, CZM, BZR in the CRJ-700.

 

[wms]

Anything running north out of SJU along WATRS is non radar and requires position reports. Just didn't know if any regionals did that sort of thing, such as IAD-SJU (wouldn't surprise me at all to see a UAX 170 on that...)

That's extended over water. It's a non-radar environment, but a little different than your typical non-radar environment.



www.faa.gov/.../WATRS.../WATRSPlus_RoutingProceduresNOTAM_A0353_24May.doc
(not a link, just an address.)

 

[altimaklr]

Pinnacle also does BZE and MTY

 

[wickedpilot]

Is SJU considered international now?

No. you don't even need a passport to go there. U.S. Common wealth.

 

[aa73]

SJU is only considered Int'l by some airline standards.. i.e. an AA Domestic pilot will never see SJU, since it is in the Int'l bid status category. (anything outside of Mexico/Canada is considered Int'l for us.)

For passenger travel, SJU is considered part of the U.S.

 

[CX880]

CA and I were discussing this on my last trip... coming out of SJU and we heard "Flagship" which I believe is a NWA (Delta) regional on the radio. I've also seen XJT in SJU (charter stuff.)

What US regionals do int'l routes? Don't include Canada and Mexico as those are typically considered domestic among airlines. I mean stuff like Caribbean and South America.

Thanks 73

Since when is Mexico considered domestic? Anytime the federales come in to check your papers is international enough for me. Or anytime you talk to controlers that are equiped with their eyes, binoculars and a two way radio.

 

[aa73]

Since when is Mexico considered domestic? Anytime the federales come in to check your papers is international enough for me. Or anytime you talk to controlers that are equiped with their eyes, binoculars and a two way radio.

Mexico/Canada are considered Domestic at most, if not all, airlines in regards to flight procedures and bid statuses.

 

[CX880]

Mexico/Canada are considered Domestic at most, if not all, airlines in regards to flight procedures and bid statuses.

So? It's still int flying.

 

[satpak77]

Cont Express serves Mexico City and Mazatlan

Mesa serves Hermosillo, Mazatlan, and some others

Jetblue flies an E-190 into Cancun

US Airways flies an E-190 into Dom Rep

if CBP is required it is international

(no way in he11 you gonna tell me MMMX is "same as domestic", been there, done that....)

 

[aa73]

So? It's still int flying.

OK, let me explain: yes, it's considered Int'l if you are talking going outside the U.S... as well as ICAO standards, etc., it's all int'l....

...however, with regards to bid status, pay, etc.... it's considered Domestic. i.e. we don't get paid the $4/hr override to go to Mexico or Canada. Mexico/Canada layovers show up on the same bidsheet as Tucson and El Paso. Jepp revisions include US/Mexico/Canada revisions.You don't need an Int'l checkout to go to these places, and you don't sit through the 4 hour Int'l course either. It's all part of the Domestic system.

Anything OTHER than US/Mexico/Canada will only show up on the Int'l bid sheet, and if you are a Domestic pilot you cannot bid anywhere outside US/Mexico/Canada.

I hope that clears it up.

 

[ehoulli]

XJT goes to

Monterrey
Guadalajara
Saltillo
Durango
San Luis Potosi
Aguascialientes
Cabo
Puerto Vallarta
Huatulco
Villaheramosa
Veracruz
Tampico
Tuxtila Guitierrez
Queretaro
Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo
Acapulco
Mazatlan
Manzanillio
Mexico City
Puebla
Toluca
Torreon
Chihuahua
Morelia
Leon/Guanajuato
Oaxaca
Ciudad del Carmen

Also Nassau and Canada all the way into the maritimes (Halifax, Moncton, St. John's)

Used to serve Flores, Guatemala and several other locations in Mexico like Loreto, La Paz, Hermasillo, and a few others.

 

[dojetdriver]

OK, let me explain: yes, it's considered Int'l if you are talking going outside the U.S... as well as ICAO standards, etc., it's all int'l....

...however, with regards to bid status, pay, etc.... it's considered Domestic. i.e. we don't get paid the $4/hr override to go to Mexico or Canada. Mexico/Canada layovers show up on the same bidsheet as Tucson and El Paso. Jepp revisions include US/Mexico/Canada revisions.You don't need an Int'l checkout to go to these places, and you don't sit through the 4 hour Int'l course either. It's all part of the Domestic system.

Anything OTHER than US/Mexico/Canada will only show up on the Int'l bid sheet, and if you are a Domestic pilot you cannot bid anywhere outside US/Mexico/Canada.

I hope that clears it up.

To answer MOST of your original question, I don't believe that there's a "regional" airline out there that has what you speak of. In the traditional sense anyway.

Sure, AE may get a higher perdiem for going to Mexico/Canada, whatever. But I'd be hard pressed to find a "regional" that ACTUALLY has separate bid categories/status, as well as route/airport qual to go to these "non international" international airports you speak of. YES, I KNOW that AE has their Caribbean stuff. YES, I also KNOW that ASE is a special qual airport for the airlines that do/have operated there. I also believe that Horizon has a special qual field(S) in Canada. But see below;

For the most part, all the sh1t is the same, you DON'T get paid anymore, nor get blocked/locked into bidding certain "categories/statuses.

At my company, ALL pilots go though the int'l training section. ALL pilots get bombarded with the same jepps causing a stupidly heavy flight case. ALL pilots are expected to fly ANYWHERE in the system we go to without ANY additional override/bid status, or whatever else you can think of to separate pilots going into whatever airport.

However, I'd be curious to see which "regionals", if any, have what you ask of. IF they exist. But ONLY in the way in which you reference.

Remember, flying 4 hours, clearing customs multiple times a day, as well as hitting 3 countries in one day is just "regional" flying.