JetPilot500 said:Misconception #1If you want to fly for a Major someday, then your best bet is probably to go to a regional.
Back when the majors were hiring, Netjets pilots were found very desirable to many of the major carriers. The majors are very familiar with Netjets’ flight operations, which differ vastly from typical corporate operators, and more closely resemble a FAR121 operation.
Misconception #2To say that the Fracs are more stable than the Regionals right now is probably something that can't be predicted.
Netjets is one of the most stable things in the industry at the present time. Definitely more stable than some of the majors in the current climate.
Now this is sort of ironic. For the last few years, all the frac pilots heard in the FBOs was, "Just wait ‘til the economy goes down and you guys will be out of work." Well, the economy went down and business continued to grow. So now we should wait for a "second recession?"Just because Netjets has been growing, doesn't mean they will continue to do so. If this economy dips into a second recession here, some of these rich folks may start to reconsider their big toys such as the Frac Jet.
This I do agree with.Choose and then don't look back again. Trust me on that one!
Choose your options, do a lot of research, and talk to as many pilots at those companies as possible. I will add that of the few dozen former commuter and major pilots (furloughed) that I have flown with, none plan on leaving Netjets even when things do turn around.
If you want to be a corporate pilot, then you'd probally be better off at Netjets.
Stats? For goodness sake man....Pick up any Pro Pilot, B&CA, AIN, Flying or AOPA magazine for the last 4 years or your latest Berkshire Hathaway Shareholders' report.Caveman said:Just because you say Netjets is "one of the most stable things in the industry" doesn't automatically make it so. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. I dunno, but just because you say so doesn't make him wrong. Give me some stats, maybe some growth projections, balance sheets, something. Inquiring minds want to know.
True, but I was drawing the conclusion that not even the majors are the most stable place to be. Much less some of the commuters."Definitely more stable than some of the majors in the current climate."
Apples to oranges. The comparison stated was regional to fractional, not majors to fractional.
Again, I recommended personal research to verify my claim.I'm not suggesting that you aren't correct, you just haven't given us anything to consider other than an unsupported blanket statement.
Same at NetJets.CF34-3B1 said:The regionals (at least mine) you pretty much show up, do some paper work, fly the airplane, and go home.
Same at NetJets.If there's something broken, you write it up and call MX. If something needs to be restocked in the galley, the F/A deals with it. If the lav needs to be dumped, … some unhappy guy with a long rubber glove comes over and dumps it for you.
Same at NetJets.Another consideration might be base location. I really don't know what the base locations for the fracs are, or what their policy is about living in a city other than your base. At the regionals, you can pretty much commute from where ever you like as long as you show up for work on time.
Misconception #3Which brings up the other big difference; non rev travel and J/S. Most regional pilots can jumpseat on anyone, but most frac guys can not, due to them not having a recip agreement. Also, at most regionals, you and your family get non rev benefits on not only your airline, but usually whatever major your airline codeshares with.
No problem. Some guys are happy at the Regionals, some are happy at the fracs. I have talked to several frac pilots who only went to a commuter to gain time to apply to NetJets. Can you believe that? using a commuter as a stepping stone to a fractional. That speaks volumes.I wouldn't leave my regional job to go to a frac, but I have friends at several different fracs, most of whom are ex regional guys, and they're all very happy they made the switch.
You may absolutely use NetJets as a career destination. More and more people are realizing that everyday. As I posted above to Caveman, I have talked to several frac pilots who only went to a commuter to gain time, in order to work for NetJets. There are plenty of "quality" corporate operator out there, and would still make an excellent career. However, the fractionals in most cases will offer more rapid upgrade and more choices of types of aircraft and flight profiles.Originally posted by CCDiscoB
I find it interesting that you consider Netjets a "stepping stone" type job. I was thinking that if I was hired by NetJets, I could make a career with them. But it appears that for the career minded one would need to find a desirable corporate operation. Is that what you're saying?
I understand completely. I was trying to keep posts short and to the point, but I'll add the necessary details from now on. I realize some people are new to this board and may not have followed this side of the industry as long as others.Caveman said:If you were to state that Hank Aaron was the greatest homerun hitter of all time and I wasn't a baseball fan I would say, "Oh yeah, why?"