Regional to Fractional?

[DO-82 driver]

Why didn't you get your info in sooner? Were you waiting to see what the T/A was going to bring bvefore you applied? Why did you accept the job knowing what the work conditions were?

You have no idea what the past 4 1/2 years prior to the contract was like and you have the nerve to accuse the 83%, not 75%, of the "YES" voters of not caring about the future pilots.

I would love to run into you in TEB or anyother FBO to give you a history lesson on the company YOU elected to come to. No one forced you to take the job after the contract was rartified....You can mail your resignation in anytime.

You've got some nerve!!!!

 

[FLYLOW22]

What are you talking about? ohh.. I see.. First off, I was hired after the contract was ratified so I had no voice.. It appears though that 75% of the pilots couldn't wait. Rest assured Come next contract I will vote for me.. 75% of the pilots voted for their best interest, not the interest of the present and future pilot group. With that said, I will vote for what suits me and what I feel will benefit future growth.
When I left tsa, I left because I wanted a future.. When your union can't back the pilots up, then you've lost the battle and the war.. Alpa Could care less about what happened there.. Next time you're in TEB talk to me.. I will make sure you are aware of my intentions.

Who is that even directed at?

I underlined the item that is at the heart of most Union problems (ALPA included); the ME phenomenon.

ALPA may have not of represented you adequately. In fact, I know that they did not. Local 284 did not represent US adequately so we elliminated them. The pilots of each airline have the same choice but most pilots are ignorant of the facts, too complacent to care and even more apathetic to take action.

You need to talk to more pilots here about the history of things NJA and just how far this pilot group went to get to where we are today.

I agree that ALPA is Woerthless and Weak. I was a victim of ALPA at a major airline and at a regional. I can assure you that they care about one thing; the senior.

Welcome aboard, by the way. We have many issues ahead. One other thing that I can assure YOU is that these issues not only affect you... they affect US. All of us.

My post centers around the question: How much do you value yourself? Do most newhires these days coming from an environment like TSA and MESA and Pinnacle have a high level of self worth after being kicked for so long? I know that it took some time here to remind NJA pilots that had been here for years that they were worth more than 38K a year in the command seat.

We have a ways to go. How much are you worth with a Union that backs you? How much will you back the Union (your fellow pilots... US).

Why wait for TEB? Come to your Union message board and ask the tough questions. Atend a little more gorundschool than what is required by your company. Gather information tirelessly and don't settle for what is given to you.

 

[jtf]

I came over from an RJ captain position and I am very happy with the job. I came after the contract and I knew what I was getting myself into when I signed the dotted line. I am not happy with the domicile issue, but you do what you have to do when you want a better job and this one is way better than I had before. Some day I'll have more choices over where I live and I can wait for that day. I make less, but not much less if you include the nearly 5k a year more I would be spending on insurance and the 2 to 3k more I'll make on my 401k over the regional this year alone. The hotels (and points) are vastly better, I have more days off- even if I stayed on the 18 day schedule, and crew food is great (compared to pretzels at the regional- not the old crew food that I didn't get to try). I wanted 7 in a row off and could only get that on vacations at the regional and now I have that twice every month. The union leaders here know what they are doing- they got a pretty good contract and they are all about protecting and improving the job. They have seen the carnage that ALPA has allowed and are doing a good job learning from ALPAs and the old Teamsters union mistakes. I think I have a fairly secure job that will get better and better in the future. I never for once felt that way at the regionals.

 

[fly4funcrj]

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[fly4funcrj]

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[TurboJetCpt]

HEY ATPCLIFF....I know what movie your icon is from...bet most don't....

Hi!

7 days in a row sounds great. I once had to work 30 in a row (and it wasn't with the military).

I was also at Trans States-my buddy is still there and he's trying to survive through his 1000 PIC.

I'm just trying to figure out how the basing issues will play out at the fracs.

cliff
YIP

 

[TurboJetCpt]

What are you talking about? ohh.. I see.. First off, I was hired after the contract was ratified so I had no voice.. It appears though that 75% of the pilots couldn't wait. Rest assured Come next contract I will vote for me.. 75% of the pilots voted for their best interest, not the interest of the present and future pilot group. With that said, I will vote for what suits me and what I feel will benefit future growth.
When I left tsa, I left because I wanted a future.. When your union can't back the pilots up, then you've lost the battle and the war.. Alpa Could care less about what happened there.. Next time you're in TEB talk to me.. I will make sure you are aware of my intentions.

You are a NOOBIE idiot. You didn't live through the pre-contract PAIN so you have NO F'ing IDEA about what you speak of. You are experiencing the BEST CONTRACT IN THE FRACTIONAL industry and you make a stupid ass statement like that. Couldn't wait ? You have quite the gall to make a statement like that loser.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

If I am not mistaking..

If you are not mistaking ????

English your second language whiner ?

 

[TurboJetCpt]

You don't know my history or my intentions.. You see my type? get out of your little ultra or xl and come over to every falcon you see and ask for this name..

You get dumber and dumber with each post. See your TYPE ??? LITTLE ULTRA ??? LMFAO at you. You have an ego problem...the funny thing is most people you are currently working with have MORE time and MORE types and MUCH MORE ballsack than you do. I guess the hiring process just doesn't catch 'em all.

Do we see your type....snicker....LOL....LMFAO !!!!!!!!

 

[NJA bound]

Not going to be hard for the union reps to find out who the new Falcon pilot that's filed 15 grievances is, if they're interested in who this guy is.

 

[fly4funcrj]

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[DO-82 driver]

I'm sorry people aren't bowing down to you Newbie...but you ARE complaining about the work rules.

Fortunately, your opinion is in the minority. Every new hire, and seasoned guys as well, I spoke to cannot wait to vote for HBA's for all. You don;t always get everything you want in a contract.....the next round will be different.
This contract was very good....and the next one will be better.

Stop thinking we all had a secret meeting and we all agreed to screw the new hires over because it was a fun thing to do......

Do you like your pay?
Insurance coverage?
401K?
Pay for a meal lately?
Do you like having 3 weeks off for 1 weeks vacation?
Do you like knowing your Union will back you up if you mess up (of course THAT will never happen!)
Fatigued?...no problem, call in and get 14 hours.



If you had a set of BA!!'s you would post what you did here on our Union web site and wait for the answers. I don't expect that to happen.

Enjoy your Falcon....you're where you belong.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Hey "don't have a clue."

We don't care about your TYPES.

We don't care about your DUES.

We don't care about ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT YOU.

We do NOTE that you have stated that 75% of this pilot group VOTED FOR THEMSELVES and not the FUTURE.

Re-read your posts and LAUGH with us....because they are quite entertaining.

No need to respond to my post though as I fly SMALL airplanes.

Your CAPTAINS are going to have great tours with YOU....LMFAO AGAIN !!!

Now when you UPGRADE here in a BE400, Ultra or XL, the same SMALL AIRPLANE CAPTAIN's you look down from your MIGHTY FALCON windscreen at, will show you how it's REALLY done. Talk trash then fool. Where did that EGO come from anyway ??? Bueller ?

 

[fly4funcrj]

Backtracking.. sigh.. This thread has gone in the wrong direction.. Feel free to attack some more.. I'm done here. you win, I lose.. I expect no one to bow down, however I thought I could post opinions without personal attacks...
Oh, I do enjoy those benefits..

 

[DO-82 driver]

. Oh, and as far as the 4 1/2 years of pain, I worked in the regional business with 5 years of pain. Working under conditions you couldn't imagine.

Jeeezzz...this almost sounds like you're telling us you paid your dues...Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

You have plenty of time to come around before the next contract vote.

 

[JustInfo]

How many "small airplane" guys are making 2X what you are in that great big Falcon! LOL!

Do you get to use heavy with your call sign??? LOL!

 

[FLYLOW22]

however I thought I could post opinions without personal attacks...
Oh, I do enjoy those benefits..

Try using your Union message baord. You will be posting with your name and credibiity (a precious comodity). Use the link in my signature if you can't find it. I bet the answers you get will be a bit more bravado-less... but then again, so will the initial statements/questions.

This board is a mixing board of entertainment, flame and rumor only.

 

[CA1900]

I thought I could post opinions without personal attacks...

On flightinfo? Hahaha.... You're thinking of the other site. This is the right room for an argument! :0

 

[fly4funcrj]

ok.. argument.. umm.. netjets sucks, gojets rules? in the words of mills lane.. lets get it on!

 

[FLYLOW22]

ok.. argument.. umm.. netjets sucks, gojets rules? in the words of mills lane.. lets get it on!

Already too much pilot on pilot violence for my lifetime. Why don't we focus on something more useful.