regional pilots scared

[Beergut]

According to a former corporate pilot that Fox news just had on, regional pilot training is not as thorough as mainline and the reason they don't do stall training is because it scares some people. Stuff like this really pisses me off. I'm sure many of us will be answering a lot of questions from our non-flying friends for the next few days. :angryfire

(This is not a bash Fox News thread, all of the networks are doing it.)

 

[flynryan15]

I saw that too, I wanted to punch the TV! Hate to break it to you buddy we performed full stalls at 37000ft during my initial training and it is not scary!

Anyone get his name Mike or Mark something? I would love to send him an email!!! :angryfire

 

[Beergut]

I saw that too, I wanted to punch the TV! Hate to break it to you buddy we performed full stalls at 37000ft during my initial training and it is not scary!

Anyone get his name Mike or Mark something? I would love to send him an email!!! :angryfire

I didn't catch his name because I was floored by the audacity this guy had to pass himself off as an expert. (And I may have been distracted by Megyn Kelly's hotness )

 

[JECKEL]

Departure and Arrival stalls are also required training at "regional" carriers.

This guy was an idiot.

 

[samballs]

Yeah, fox news

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Are you doing stalls or approaches to stalls? Big difference. Slowing to the shaker and then adding power to recover does not count as stalling.

 

[doh]

Does anyone do full stalls? It's always been to the shaker for me. We did them every sim.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Live NTSB Hearing

http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=4

 

[flyboyzii]

I didn't catch his name because I was floored by the audacity this guy had to pass himself off as an expert. (And I may have been distracted by Megyn Kelly's hotness )

Now she went and ruined it by getting preggo.

 

[701EV]

I saw that too, I wanted to punch the TV! Hate to break it to you buddy we performed full stalls at 37000ft during my initial training and it is not scary!

Anyone get his name Mike or Mark something? I would love to send him an email!!! :angryfire

You did full stalls at FL-370 in what?

701EV

 

[HalinTexas]

You did full stalls at FL-370 in what?

701EV

In the sim, probably. Off motion.

 

[mvedepo]

I can say unequivocally that my initial training at the regional I flew at was far and away the most intensive and tough training I have been through. I am surprised I wasn't given my A&P after it was all said and done.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

We did a high alt stall in training by setting the sim to 41000 going to a 180 degree turn and just turning off half bank. That's all it took, didn't even slow down from cruise and down we went...

Edit: we also did several of the usual low alt ones too.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Theres only one reason why that FL410 stall demo was put in your training program, and it wasn't because of the good will and helpful foresight of your company.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I know.... it wasn't part of the Avro training back in 2005. Would have been interesting to see what it did at it's max of 35000.

 

[NachoMamma]

Now she went and ruined it by getting preggo.

Sorry about that.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Now she went and ruined it by getting preggo.

Yeah, But now you know........she does it!
Heh,heh,heh,heh
PBR

 

[BrickTop]

According to a former corporate pilot that Fox news just had on, regional pilot training is not as thorough as mainline and the reason they don't do stall training is because it scares some people. Stuff like this really pisses me off. I'm sure many of us will be answering a lot of questions from our non-flying friends for the next few days. :angryfire

(This is not a bash Fox News thread, all of the networks are doing it.)

I'll whip every last one of FOX's/CNN's/MSNBC's "industry spokesman/experts USELESS TELE CHATTER MOUTHS." I'm done being reasonable in this industry. I miss the respect a good old fashion A$$ kickin can gain. This industry has done nothing but fuel hatred and the demoralization of human decency. Come on over you latte drinking, Brooks Brother city slickin pu$$ys and let rural America fix your publicized stupidity. :angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:bomb::uzi: "F" YOU.....

 

[Flyer1015]

Theres only one reason why that FL410 stall demo was put in your training program, and it wasn't because of the good will and helpful foresight of your company.

Yes, it was put in while you were here working at this company, due to an accident that happened while you were working here. Why the "your" training program and "your" company talk?

 

[goodgig]

*******

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Yes, it was put in while you were here working at this company, due to an accident that happened while you were working here. Why the "your" training program and "your" company talk?

WMU works for Mesaba.

 

[samballs]

Yeah, But now you know........she does it!
Heh,heh,heh,heh
PBR

I always thought that I was the only one who found pregos hot. YOu know they do it.

 

[701EV]

And they like it more while there prego!

701EV

 

[Fred Rogers]

I'll whip every last one of FOX's/CNN's/MSNBC's "industry spokesman/experts USELESS TELE CHATTER MOUTHS." I'm done being reasonable in this industry. I miss the respect a good old fashion A$$ kickin can gain. This industry has done nothing but fuel hatred and the demoralization of human decency. Come on over you latte drinking, Brooks Brother city slickin pu$$ys and let rural America fix your publicized stupidity. :angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:bomb::uzi: "F" YOU.....

Just want to echo your anger about their stupidity, although I have nothing against Brooks Brother's or latte's or "city folk" per se.

You will notice though that anyone who actually knows anything about this type of thing will keep their trap shut because either:

A. They do not fly that particular type of aircraft so they understand that there are many things which they cannot speak to.

B. They feel it is inappropriate to monday morning quarterback any decision that a pilot made which turned out wrong.**

C. Both A and B

Fox and MSNBC and CNN are left with Joe Weekend Warrier who loves the camera and says that Carb Ice COULD have been a problem on CJC3407. (Hey girls, I'm a PILOT, wanna come back to my place and suck face?)

**(How many people tell Sully that if he had heeded the "birds in the vicinity of the airport" NOTAM and not taken off, US Airways would be +1 A320). Not to diminish anything he did (God forbid) but Sully had some LUCK on his side too. Doesn't work that way huh.

 

[flynryan15]

You did full stalls at FL-370 in what?

701EV

Sorry should have been more clear! Our instructor had us do a few stalls at 37000 in a Erj-145 sim. He thought it was very important that we see it and feel it!

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Sorry should have been more clear! Our instructor had us do a few stalls at 37000 in a Erj-145 sim. He thought it was very important that we see it and feel it!

We did one too at 350 in the sim at TSA...

 

[xjgearbtch]

High Altitude stalls and low speed demonstrations are very important training. Crews need to know how to recover during all phases of flight that aren't SOP. Learning that you can't power out of getting below the green line is critical. You must lose ALT and speed up to SOP climb speeds. For us it's 290/.74 on the 900. Sweptback wings are a different animal, that is why flying SOP is so critical. Besides I don't get paid to work extra and figure out how to fly a different way.

 

[Tarzan]

Too often from the very beginning, students are taught "stalls" instead of stall recovery. My company finally figured that one out and took the part about getting into a stall out of the books. Now they tell you how to configure the airplane. When you get the shaker, make it stop.

 

[JECKEL]

Are you doing stalls or approaches to stalls? Big difference. Slowing to the shaker and then adding power to recover does not count as stalling.

Actually both, in the simulator.
As part of our company training I am proficient in slowing to the onset of the shaker and then recovering from both a "departure" scenario and an "arrival" scenario and an "en route" scenario.
I am also a fortunate sole who has trained to proficiency, in the simulator, doing full stalls by turning of the stall "pusher". The shaker fires, we continue to pull until we achieve a stall, add power and recover.
I don't if this counts but it's the best I can do.

 

[Flyer1015]

When you get the shaker, make it stop.

Up until now, it's actually "stay" in the shaker while you minimize altitude loss, with max thrust applied. A proper stall recovery, as per CRJ profiles, means you stay in the shaker for quite a bit (especially in the landing stall profile), as you wait for airspeed to crawl back up and VSI trend to increase. Only then do we finally break the nose down.