regional pilots scared

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Yes, it was put in while you were here working at this company, due to an accident that happened while you were working here. Why the "your" training program and "your" company talk?

WMU works for Mesaba.

 

[samballs]

Yeah, But now you know........she does it!
Heh,heh,heh,heh
PBR

I always thought that I was the only one who found pregos hot. YOu know they do it.

 

[701EV]

And they like it more while there prego!

701EV

 

[Fred Rogers]

I'll whip every last one of FOX's/CNN's/MSNBC's "industry spokesman/experts USELESS TELE CHATTER MOUTHS." I'm done being reasonable in this industry. I miss the respect a good old fashion A$$ kickin can gain. This industry has done nothing but fuel hatred and the demoralization of human decency. Come on over you latte drinking, Brooks Brother city slickin pu$$ys and let rural America fix your publicized stupidity. :angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:bomb::uzi: "F" YOU.....

Just want to echo your anger about their stupidity, although I have nothing against Brooks Brother's or latte's or "city folk" per se.

You will notice though that anyone who actually knows anything about this type of thing will keep their trap shut because either:

A. They do not fly that particular type of aircraft so they understand that there are many things which they cannot speak to.

B. They feel it is inappropriate to monday morning quarterback any decision that a pilot made which turned out wrong.**

C. Both A and B

Fox and MSNBC and CNN are left with Joe Weekend Warrier who loves the camera and says that Carb Ice COULD have been a problem on CJC3407. (Hey girls, I'm a PILOT, wanna come back to my place and suck face?)

**(How many people tell Sully that if he had heeded the "birds in the vicinity of the airport" NOTAM and not taken off, US Airways would be +1 A320). Not to diminish anything he did (God forbid) but Sully had some LUCK on his side too. Doesn't work that way huh.

 

[flynryan15]

You did full stalls at FL-370 in what?

701EV

Sorry should have been more clear! Our instructor had us do a few stalls at 37000 in a Erj-145 sim. He thought it was very important that we see it and feel it!

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Sorry should have been more clear! Our instructor had us do a few stalls at 37000 in a Erj-145 sim. He thought it was very important that we see it and feel it!

We did one too at 350 in the sim at TSA...

 

[xjgearbtch]

High Altitude stalls and low speed demonstrations are very important training. Crews need to know how to recover during all phases of flight that aren't SOP. Learning that you can't power out of getting below the green line is critical. You must lose ALT and speed up to SOP climb speeds. For us it's 290/.74 on the 900. Sweptback wings are a different animal, that is why flying SOP is so critical. Besides I don't get paid to work extra and figure out how to fly a different way.

 

[Tarzan]

Too often from the very beginning, students are taught "stalls" instead of stall recovery. My company finally figured that one out and took the part about getting into a stall out of the books. Now they tell you how to configure the airplane. When you get the shaker, make it stop.

 

[JECKEL]

Are you doing stalls or approaches to stalls? Big difference. Slowing to the shaker and then adding power to recover does not count as stalling.

Actually both, in the simulator.
As part of our company training I am proficient in slowing to the onset of the shaker and then recovering from both a "departure" scenario and an "arrival" scenario and an "en route" scenario.
I am also a fortunate sole who has trained to proficiency, in the simulator, doing full stalls by turning of the stall "pusher". The shaker fires, we continue to pull until we achieve a stall, add power and recover.
I don't if this counts but it's the best I can do.

 

[Flyer1015]

When you get the shaker, make it stop.

Up until now, it's actually "stay" in the shaker while you minimize altitude loss, with max thrust applied. A proper stall recovery, as per CRJ profiles, means you stay in the shaker for quite a bit (especially in the landing stall profile), as you wait for airspeed to crawl back up and VSI trend to increase. Only then do we finally break the nose down.

 

[wms]

I'll whip every last one of FOX's/CNN's/MSNBC's "industry spokesman/experts USELESS TELE CHATTER MOUTHS." I'm done being reasonable in this industry. I miss the respect a good old fashion A$$ kickin can gain. This industry has done nothing but fuel hatred and the demoralization of human decency. Come on over you latte drinking, Brooks Brother city slickin pu$$ys and let rural America fix your publicized stupidity. :angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:bomb::uzi: "F" YOU.....

Don't confuse intimidation with respect. However, I agree there has to be a change in how we're viewed. But with airline mgmts leading the pack of demoralizing their front-line employees, I don't think there will be any changes soon.

 

[sunlitpath]

Ya. We don't do any training at the regional airlines. We don't have check rides or exams either. They pretty much just let us fly around all day, and the FAA doesn't watch us either. It's just fun and games all the time.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Up until now, it's actually "stay" in the shaker while you minimize altitude loss, with max thrust applied. A proper stall recovery, as per CRJ profiles, means you stay in the shaker for quite a bit (especially in the landing stall profile), as you wait for airspeed to crawl back up and VSI trend to increase. Only then do we finally break the nose down.

for the love of god please don't tell me that is the profile to hold it in the stick shaker and try not to lose ALTITUDE!!!! Please call bombardier/FAA/other airlines and learn that this is wrong!!!!!

 

[WAZUP]

Now she went and ruined it by getting preggo.

Hey there's still Jane Skinner

 

[flyboyzii]

Hey there's still Jane Skinner

...and Domenica Davis (the weekend wx girl)

 

[sweptback]

Learning that you can't power out of getting below the green line is critical. You must lose ALT and speed up to SOP climb speeds.

I don't disagree with you, however the green line is meaningless at altitude.

 

[Flyer1015]

for the love of god please don't tell me that is the profile to hold it in the stick shaker and try not to lose ALTITUDE!!!! Please call bombardier/FAA/other airlines and learn that this is wrong!!!!!

Until our stall profiles went away, it is what it is. ESPECIALLY in the landing stall, once you stalled and the autopilot kicked off, max thrust, spoilers in, and then you had to pull back (though slightly) to stay in the flight director. That was profile. Until positive rate, then flaps 8 gear up, etc. Even for the takeoff stall, entered a 20 degree bank, once the shaker goes off, max thrust spoilers in, but you pretty much "hold it there" as you level the wings. Shaker continues to go off as your speed slowly comes back up, and VSI trend goes positive, and THEN you break the nose down and keep it within +/- 100 ft.

It is what it is, don't shoot the messenger. These stall profiles are too unrealistic. Get ready for realistic scenarios, like a turn from base to final with flaps 30 and full spoilers as one tries to correct a lil' high lil' fast situation, with the head out for the runway, and wham, stick shaker. Now recover. This is more realistic. Time will tell, but expect changes in stall profiles, and training, to include all the way to the pusher.