Regional Bids for United Flying

[Furloughed80]

Has anyone heard anything at all?

 

[Rottweiller]

Has anyone heard anything at all?

United have 30 days from the 10th December to give out any details. Don't expect to hear much if anything until after Jan 1st.

 

[flagshipper]

Our mec confirmed that 9e is taking the neccessary steps to obtain a second certificate either new or purchased and would like to have it up and running by 06. Our CEO Phil is deadset that the future of this airline is outside of NW. Now will they bid on United? probably not. because it would take a while to get that up and running

 

[Av8tor1]

I know for a fact that Mesa bid on the flying.

 

[othello]

[Our mec confirmed that 9e is taking the neccessary steps to obtain a second certificate either new or purchased]

I bet they are just like Mesa "obtained" a certificate to start freedumb and Mesaba "purchased" the Bigsky certificate both just in time to start shuffling planes off of the main certificate in the heat of an up comming battle for a new contract. So a new certificate sounds just about right.

Your next 9E. The NWA union smashing team is gearing up to beat you down and make you sign for less than you ever dreamed, your all thinking Comair + and you can bet the powers that be are thinking concesions.

Not trying to sound to negitive but things are going to get rough over there. Your new contract is not going to come easy.

 

[NEWSOUTH]

Thank you

Thanks for stating the obvious. Does that make you feel all warm and fuzzy?
I bet you can't wait!

 

[othello]

[Thanks for stating the obvious.]

Your buddy Flagshipper makes a new certificate sound like a good thing? Like 9E is ready to pounce on the soon to be anouced rebid for the Air Wisconson flying.

I was pointing out that a ceritficate is not a good thing.

That is great if it is obvious to you that it would only come back and cause you to sell your soul durring negoations for scope language.

Being a regional pilot I really hope you Flagship folks can raise the bar and obtain something ground braking. It will help us all.

100% jet fleet, 3 hubs you have as good of chance as anyone If you stand your ground.

 

[FlyChicaga]

Christ, the FAA is handing out 121 certificates like candy on Halloween these days! Ridiculous.

 

[ThisistheDream]

Me and 10 buddies sent UAL a bid for some short hual stuff. 50 dollars a segment with a fleet of 11 piper seminoles, one extra for a spare. Excited and waiting to hear back!!!!!!!!!!

 

[flagshipper]

Actually my original post was a totally objective approach but as far as my feelings I think us getting a second certificate is a horrible thing because I may be new but I know what goes on in the industry and I understand how Phil will use it against us. Phil just released what he calls our "Flight Plan for the Future" It is a long thing where he rambles on about how the industry has changed but of the 6 new steps 4 of them are:

1.cut cost per block hour by 10% over the next year

2.create a second line of business for 70 to 90 seat aircraft by 2006

3. Fight for scope relief from NWA

4.Complete negotiaions for new pilot contract.

I agree with most pilots in this company. It is not a matter of if we strike it is only a matter of when. Phil admits that until this contract is complete we will probably receive very little growth outside of what we currently have. so quick contracts will work good for both parties but i bet he wants all of that 10 percent to come from us. It is going to get real ugly real quick. I really enjoy the job but I will stand by my MEC during talks because we need a good industry average contract. I think most of us feel Comair plus 10 aint gonna happen but who knows what can be accomplished.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Me and 10 buddies sent UAL a bid for some short hual stuff. 50 dollars a segment with a fleet of 11 piper seminoles, one extra for a spare. Excited and waiting to hear back!!!!!!!!!!

Dude I did the same thing but I sent my pack in for $45 /segment with the Duchess, and we would throw bags as well saving some mondo cash. I hope I undercut you.

 

[Monster Buck]

I am sorry but I can't help myself. Flagshipper, I think you are new so I will go easy. Have you ever heard of company kool-aid. It is very strong during negotiations. Here is how it goes. They will say they are going to expand. Then a little while later they will say if they can get a reeeeeaaaaal good pay scale out of their pilots they will take over the world. Fact- JUST LIKE MESABA - PINNACLE WILL NEVER, AND I MEAN NEVER, FLY FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN NWA. By the way, they have all the gold and tell you where you will eat, sleep and sh1t. Like it or not. It is nothing more than company BS. Welcome to your first contract.

 

[Rottweiller]

Dude I did the same thing but I sent my pack in for $45 /segment with the Duchess, and we would throw bags as well saving some mondo cash. I hope I undercut you.

MESA has probably undercut the both of you!!

 

[flagshipper]

I am sorry but I can't help myself. Flagshipper, I think you are new so I will go easy. Have you ever heard of company kool-aid. It is very strong during negotiations. Here is how it goes. They will say they are going to expand. Then a little while later they will say if they can get a reeeeeaaaaal good pay scale out of their pilots they will take over the world. Fact- JUST LIKE MESABA - PINNACLE WILL NEVER, AND I MEAN NEVER, FLY FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN NWA. By the way, they have all the gold and tell you where you will eat, sleep and sh1t. Like it or not. It is nothing more than company BS. Welcome to your first contract.

Hey dumb@ss have you read my post at all? Pilot pay has little factor on our operating cost. I can crunch the numbers. Phil's bonus is a bigger deal than our pay going up 40 percent. F%^7 expansion. I want a good contract with good work rules. Our company only exists on paper. Everything we have is owned by big daddy NW and I don't think we are finacially strong enough to step out from under their umbrella. I dont drink the kool-aid. I piss in it and put back in the break room water cooler. So all you guys with all your wisdom for the dumb nieve FO can keep it.

 

[DoinTime]

Our mec confirmed that 9e is taking the neccessary steps to obtain a second certificate either new or purchased and would like to have it up and running by 06. Our CEO Phil is deadset that the future of this airline is outside of NW. Now will they bid on United? probably not. because it would take a while to get that up and running

PCL executives have already said that the United bid is a dead deal. They are not even putting a bid together. I can't blame them as getting involved with a severely dysfunctional bankrupt carrier under a short term deal is a very high risk proposition.

The second certificate at PCL is being developed in house. They have no interest in acquiring the problems of another carrier, they have enough of their own. They have actually been working on it for more than a year now and there is a dedicated staff that do nothing else than work on this new certificate. Capabilty of flying under this certificate is not far off.