Rebuttal against age 65 (for FoxHunter and Jim Smith)

[sandman2122]

Sounds like Foxhunter and all the other +57yr olds wanting to change the age 60 Rule are starting to panic about their upcoming retirements.

Calm down now grandpa.

 

[General Lee]

And THERE is the next argument that'll be put forth... All women pilots should be allowed to fly to 68-69. Crap, I'm never gonna get in that seat...:laugh:

Great point!!! If we follow ICAO's recommendations, then we had better let all women pilots fly until 68 or 69, and males fly up to 65. Is that right Foxhunter? You seem to believe everything ICAO and your lovely Secratariat states.......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[lostplnetairman]

And, is there age discrimination in the Constitution? Yes there is. There is a minimum age to become President of the United States. Should we re-write the Constitution?

I win.

Bye Bye--General Lee

You posted this months ago and I responded. When the rule was put into effect, there was no such thing as age discrimination. In 1967, the Age Discrimination in Employment Act was passed. It protects workers 40 years of age and older. It does not protect those under the age of 35 who want to become President.

HRDiva

 

[filejw]

This is from an association of AME's.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/424637_web.pdf

 

[johnsonrod]

I don't want my cops and my firefighters to be 63 either. I also get nervous when I meet surgeons who are that old.

 

[General Lee]

This is from an association of AME's.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/424637_web.pdf

Do you go to a really old AME? He might not be right for the job. His hands may not be that steady when he is checking you for a hernia. Depth perception is everything with those guys, just like old pilots....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[LEROY]

Here's another one to add to the General's list ('cause I think he's on the right track):
One can't smoke in the average restaurant in the U.S. anymore because it was determined over many years that second-hand smoke is harmful to others' life expectancy, thus possibly their careers (gimme a little room here).
That law took decades to arrive. It only takes a few seconds to realize that letting a current pilot fly past age sixty negatively affects the careers (and possibly the health) of many other pilots.
If (or when) the age 60 rule goes away, whatever the upper limit, everyone reading this board will be REQUIRED to work to that age to get to their planned career milestone.
I'd rather be doing something other than flying for those 5 or 7 or 9 or twenty extra years some folks want to tack on to my career.

 

[General Lee]

This is from an association of AME's.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/424637_web.pdf

The ABA, the American Bar Association (lawyers) also wants the Age 65 change. It will give them a better chance at a successful lawsuit after a crash.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[filejw]

Actually I go to an old and young guy.Its a father son practice they are real Dr's. So I let them combine my FAA and HMO physical once a yr.Works great and saves time. BTW they would never belong to that group.General Lee assumes from his response I am for repealing age 60, how I don't know as all i put on was a link.

 

[sandman2122]

Let it Go.

Embarrassed to admit seeing this @ the FedEx Memfo A.O.C. recently (thats our flt. ops). I noticed two recently over 60 Flight Engineers in uniform with black electrical tape over their "4th stripe" on their epaultes! Besides being cheap (as I know one is a non-member) they look like idiots - guess they're attempting to make somekind of a statement.

Just let it go guys and retire.

 

[SWA/FO]

Maybe if their lady at home looked like your avtar they might want to stay home more.

 

[fam62c]

Whatever happens with this issue I hope it happens sooner rather than later so we can quit arguing aout it and move on. I'm tired of hearing G.L. make the same point over and over and over and over and over again. I think we understand your position on this issue General. I know that you really, really, really like FlightInfo and that's fine; but making the same point over and over doesn't accomplish anything. Say it once (or even twice if it's THAT important) and leave it be. I'll bet on overnights you hit the elevator button over and over because you think it will make the elevator arrive sooner

 

[TheBaron]

Well, most Fords are terrible cars. Anyway, can you explain why ICAO would recommend NOT having 2 over age 60 pilots in the same two man cockpit? Can you answer the question please?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Nowhere in my post did I say that "age 60" was discrimination or that we need to follow the lead of ICAO. I could give a flying ufck what ICAO/JAA think.
My gripe is with your idiotic assertion that nothing in aviation can change without there being changes in everything else under the sun. Change is bad...you're right. Lets get rid of GPS and go back to VOR's. Then lets scrap VOR's and go back to NDB's. Then lets scrap NDB's and go back to A-N airways. Then we can get rid of airplanes 'cause damit...they put the railroads out of business...and those ba$tards put the wagon drivers out of business.
Things change. Fight it if you want. More power to you. Just don't say that it isn't "fair" because you don't like it. "Fair" is relative.

 

[TheBaron]

I can't remember if a fireman had to wake up in a different timezone each day of a 4 day trip at different hours, with different sleep patterns, and then try to land a 250 passenger vessel in bad weather? (for 25 years) You don't think that could cause fatigue, hearing loss, and just plain loss of situational awareness? Nah, that could never happen.

But, could you answer whether or not we should change the legal driving age around the country to age 14? Nebraska and Kansas do it, so everyone should. Sure, let's get the young kids out there, they can probably handle it too. Who came up with that rule? An Age limit? Come on? Why? For safety reasons? I bet 14 year olds could do it, just like they do in Kansas. Just like age 60 and over pilots do it in Europe. Who makes the rules? Public opionion, not old pilots who didn't invest well. The rule change would be an immediate safety hazzard, and an immediate downer for everyone invloved except the old captains. Care to comment on how England does it? They make the guys go to the right seat for two years at age 60. How do you feel about that?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Here is a link to the Kansas DMV. Educate yourself.
http://www.dmv.org/ks-kansas/apply-license.php

 

[Oh-ryan]

There are some valid points to this thread, but it is inheretly flawed. Who the heck cares if it's legal that a 12-year old, wasted Frenchy drives himself to the local voting center where he casts a vote for himself to be president and then stops at the Gas-n-Sip on the way home for some blow? The reason why no one should care is because he can't come here and do it too. ICAO lets gramps fly til he is 65 and the FAA is okay with him doing it here as well. That is the problem with this argument. I understand that even if you raise the age to 65 here that it is still age discrimintation, but forcing our guys to retire at 60 while ICAO geriatric patients roam our skies is even more dicriminatory.

I like the age 60 rule, but I think that as long as the FAA allows 65 year old ICAO drivers to fly 121 in our airspace the argument of age discrimination is a valid one.