Rebuttal against age 65 (for FoxHunter and Jim Smith)

[satpak77]

Double Post - Sorry

 

[3BCat]

If the French get wine with their crew meals, we should too. Why fight it? Sometimes you just have to defer to the older established societies to learn how it should be done.

 

[ils2minimums]

UpNDownGuy wrote:
Did I miss AA starting 777 service from London to Raleigh?

Apparantly you did:
AMERICAN AIRLINES 174 RDU-LGW
Raleigh/ Durham
06:45 PM
London
0700AM 777Economy
7 hr 15 min




AMERICAN AIRLINES 173 LGW-RDU
London
12:40 PM
Raleigh/ Durham
04:15 PM 777Economy
8 hr 35 min





What I don't get is the reason most youngsters have for hating it. So we change the age 60 rule to 65, and it takes you 5 more years to upgrade.

Do you seriously want to put your life on hold for 5 years? I don't. I didn't intend to fly to 65 either. I wanted to get out at 60 like the TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GUYS BEFORE ME DID!!! (They'll most likely change the retirement plans also, which'll make it more penalizing if I actually choose to leave at 60)

Other than the fact that you have to wait to be a Captain a little longer, why are you against it?

See above answer

I say this as a relatively young FO on the bottom of the seniority list...

Come on now... How young can you be with 13000 hours?


AA has served London from RDU for as long as I've been here. (1991)

 

[satpak77]

BOTTOM LINE

There is no valid "age discrimination" argument for changing age 60 to age 65. To simply change age 60 and require ongoing medicals and sim checks, fine. But to raise it five years because the "60 part" was "age discrimination" and make it Age 65 which somehow is not age discrimination, that won't fly.

BET ON IT.

Too many pilot lounge experts and old head captains who think ATP also means "law degree" are about to be disappointed when the rule is kept in place.

AGAIN - I can GUARANTEE that not one court/legislative body/etc is going to abolish Age 60 and change it to Age 65 because "Age 60 is age discrimination"

I flat out guarantee this.

 

[ils2minimums]

If the French get wine with their crew meals, we should too. Why fight it? Sometimes you just have to defer to the older established societies to learn how it should be done.

My sentiments exactly! I'm gonna do it how the French do it!

Tomorrow I will:

-Stop wearing deodorant,
-Start smoking 3 packs a day,
-Hate Americans (except Jerry Lewis)
-Become a coward...

 

[Nindiri]

Some of you people whining about 60 year old pilots being unsafe worry me. So what if one happens to die in the cockpit on some rare occasion? Are you such weak sticks that you can't even land an airplane without the captain holding your hand?

 

[General Lee]

BOTTOM LINE

There is no valid "age discrimination" argument for changing age 60 to age 65. To simply change age 60 and require ongoing medicals and sim checks, fine. But to raise it five years because the "60 part" was "age discrimination" and make it Age 65 which somehow is not age discrimination, that won't fly.

BET ON IT.

Too many pilot lounge experts and old head captains who think ATP also means "law degree" are about to be disappointed when the rule is kept in place.

AGAIN - I can GUARANTEE that not one court/legislative body/etc is going to abolish Age 60 and change it to Age 65 because "Age 60 is age discrimination"

I flat out guarantee this.

You are right. So, why are there rules about minimum age for driving cars? How about voting? How about age for a President? There are limits out there because people feel like they are safe ranges, and it has worked so far. To change rules now because people lost money on their pensions (without saving anywhere else and buying a boat) is too bad. The rules have worked overall and should remain. Europe is changing their rule because they have run out of pilots and must retain some to keep flying. Ryanair and Easyjet are just two of the largest LCCs that have taken over. The European Legacies have not had economic problems like American carriers, and they are expanding too. They pressured ICAO for a change in their stance. That is the truth.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Some of you people whining about 60 year old pilots being unsafe worry me. So what if one happens to die in the cockpit on some rare occasion? Are you such weak sticks that you can't even land an airplane without the captain holding your hand?

An American Captain fell ill on shirt final and they nearly crashed. Will that always happen? Are you sure the FO will take over each time? And, why does ICAO recommend NOT having more than one age 60 pilot in the cockpit at one time? Answer that please. Do they know something?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Nindiri]

I was not aware of any max ages for driving, voting, or being President.

 

[Nindiri]

An American Captain fell ill on shirt final and they nearly crashed. Will that always happen? Are you sure the FO will take over each time? And, why does ICAO recommend NOT having more than one age 60 pilot in the cockpit at one time? Answer that please. Do they know something?

Bye Bye--General Lee

It sounds to me like American needs to work on their FO skills regardless of age, as pilot incapacitation can affect pilots of any age.

 

[pipe]

It's going to happen sooner or later plan for it

So was the old guys retirement - they didn't.

 

[bendover]

the only pilots it benefits by raising the age are the ones within 5 years of retirement. period. everyone eles has to wait 5 more years to upgrade or 5 more years to get to widebody pay. or 5 more years to get recalled or 5 more years to get to the majors.

this is so typical of senior pilots always sh^ting on the junior ones. Pilots in general are very greedy. and would always sell our the junior ones for a buck, just like in this case. If you break down all the BS it boils down to personal greed on the guys close to retirement. Everyone knew the rules when they became pilots. and benefited from them by upgrading when the 60yr olds moved on. Now all of a sudden its not good enough and they want more.

Airlines have been going bankrupt and pilots have been losing their retirements since the beginning of aviation so sorry if i havn't alot of sympathy for the widebody 777 pilots getting ready to leave or for that for any 60 yr old pilots leaving. by staying you are takeing a seat away from a furloughed pilot making probably 30 grand a year so sorry if you can't make that 6 figure income for another couple of years. Don't you think that furloughee or FO needs the money alittle more than you. Probably not, back to the greed thing again.

 

[jonjuan]

Some of you people whining about 60 year old pilots being unsafe worry me. So what if one happens to die in the cockpit on some rare occasion? Are you such weak sticks that you can't even land an airplane without the captain holding your hand?

ding, ding, ding.....we have a winner. So what if gramps has a heart attack. Chances are it'll be the 50 year old guy in the right seat. Declare an emergency and land the damn plane.

 

[Whine Lover]

Ya' know...I'm going to retire my Penis at age 60.

He's just unsafe.

That friggin' little pud whack....NO MORE.


He's gotten me in MORE trouble....YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT!



LOVE,


YKW

 

[Yuppyguppy]

I'm doing my part to get you pro age 65 punks out of the cockpit. IT"S TIME TO RETIRE!! PERIOD.