Rebuttal against age 65 (for FoxHunter and Jim Smith)

[Nindiri]

Some of you people whining about 60 year old pilots being unsafe worry me. So what if one happens to die in the cockpit on some rare occasion? Are you such weak sticks that you can't even land an airplane without the captain holding your hand?

 

[General Lee]

BOTTOM LINE

There is no valid "age discrimination" argument for changing age 60 to age 65. To simply change age 60 and require ongoing medicals and sim checks, fine. But to raise it five years because the "60 part" was "age discrimination" and make it Age 65 which somehow is not age discrimination, that won't fly.

BET ON IT.

Too many pilot lounge experts and old head captains who think ATP also means "law degree" are about to be disappointed when the rule is kept in place.

AGAIN - I can GUARANTEE that not one court/legislative body/etc is going to abolish Age 60 and change it to Age 65 because "Age 60 is age discrimination"

I flat out guarantee this.

You are right. So, why are there rules about minimum age for driving cars? How about voting? How about age for a President? There are limits out there because people feel like they are safe ranges, and it has worked so far. To change rules now because people lost money on their pensions (without saving anywhere else and buying a boat) is too bad. The rules have worked overall and should remain. Europe is changing their rule because they have run out of pilots and must retain some to keep flying. Ryanair and Easyjet are just two of the largest LCCs that have taken over. The European Legacies have not had economic problems like American carriers, and they are expanding too. They pressured ICAO for a change in their stance. That is the truth.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Some of you people whining about 60 year old pilots being unsafe worry me. So what if one happens to die in the cockpit on some rare occasion? Are you such weak sticks that you can't even land an airplane without the captain holding your hand?

An American Captain fell ill on shirt final and they nearly crashed. Will that always happen? Are you sure the FO will take over each time? And, why does ICAO recommend NOT having more than one age 60 pilot in the cockpit at one time? Answer that please. Do they know something?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Nindiri]

I was not aware of any max ages for driving, voting, or being President.

 

[Nindiri]

An American Captain fell ill on shirt final and they nearly crashed. Will that always happen? Are you sure the FO will take over each time? And, why does ICAO recommend NOT having more than one age 60 pilot in the cockpit at one time? Answer that please. Do they know something?

Bye Bye--General Lee

It sounds to me like American needs to work on their FO skills regardless of age, as pilot incapacitation can affect pilots of any age.

 

[pipe]

It's going to happen sooner or later plan for it

So was the old guys retirement - they didn't.

 

[bendover]

the only pilots it benefits by raising the age are the ones within 5 years of retirement. period. everyone eles has to wait 5 more years to upgrade or 5 more years to get to widebody pay. or 5 more years to get recalled or 5 more years to get to the majors.

this is so typical of senior pilots always sh^ting on the junior ones. Pilots in general are very greedy. and would always sell our the junior ones for a buck, just like in this case. If you break down all the BS it boils down to personal greed on the guys close to retirement. Everyone knew the rules when they became pilots. and benefited from them by upgrading when the 60yr olds moved on. Now all of a sudden its not good enough and they want more.

Airlines have been going bankrupt and pilots have been losing their retirements since the beginning of aviation so sorry if i havn't alot of sympathy for the widebody 777 pilots getting ready to leave or for that for any 60 yr old pilots leaving. by staying you are takeing a seat away from a furloughed pilot making probably 30 grand a year so sorry if you can't make that 6 figure income for another couple of years. Don't you think that furloughee or FO needs the money alittle more than you. Probably not, back to the greed thing again.

 

[jonjuan]

Some of you people whining about 60 year old pilots being unsafe worry me. So what if one happens to die in the cockpit on some rare occasion? Are you such weak sticks that you can't even land an airplane without the captain holding your hand?

ding, ding, ding.....we have a winner. So what if gramps has a heart attack. Chances are it'll be the 50 year old guy in the right seat. Declare an emergency and land the damn plane.

 

[Whine Lover]

Ya' know...I'm going to retire my Penis at age 60.

He's just unsafe.

That friggin' little pud whack....NO MORE.


He's gotten me in MORE trouble....YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT!



LOVE,


YKW

 

[Yuppyguppy]

I'm doing my part to get you pro age 65 punks out of the cockpit. IT"S TIME TO RETIRE!! PERIOD.

 

[General Lee]

I was not aware of any max ages for driving, voting, or being President.

Is age discrimination only in one direction? Looks like there is a max age for flying, for being a cop, for being a fireman, and all because of safety. ICAO changed their mind when pressured by the European airlines and the pilot shortage. You should understand that by now. Look it up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

ding, ding, ding.....we have a winner. So what if gramps has a heart attack. Chances are it'll be the 50 year old guy in the right seat. Declare an emergency and land the dang plane.

Why does good ole ICAO recommend NOT having 2 age 60 or over pilots in the same 2 man cockpit? Can you answer that for me? That was one of their recommendations.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ils2minimums]

Did you hear about the AA 777 Captain who died of a heart attack landing in RDU from LGW?

Sorry General, but this didn't happen. Maybe you've got your airlines or city pair confused, but NO AA pilot has died or even been incapacitated on a London to Raleigh flight.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Is age discrimination only in one direction? Looks like there is a max age for flying, for being a cop, for being a fireman, and all because of safety. ICAO changed their mind when pressured by the European airlines and the pilot shortage. You should understand that by now. Look it up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Wrong again. The age 60 rule was not enacted for safety reasons. Look it up.

 

[TheBaron]

Is age discrimination only in one direction? Looks like there is a max age for flying, for being a cop, for being a fireman, and all because of safety. ICAO changed their mind when pressured by the European airlines and the pilot shortage. You should understand that by now. Look it up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

When is the last time a pilot had to hump a 80# hose up a flight of stairs, or chase a criminal on foot?
It must be nice to live in your simple little black and white world. You gripe about the self serving attitudes of the pro-65's and don't even see your own hypocricy. You don't want the rule changed because you don't see it as an immediate benefit for you. Your motivation is no less selfish than anyone elses. Change is constant and inevitable...learn to live with it.

 

[PurpleInMEM]

...So we'll get to endure another 5 or 10 years of stagnation while Great Grandpa wakes from his trans-Atlantic nap, puts his teeth in, and slams one on at JFK, then goes out to his Oldsmobile and heads for the early bird special at Hometown Buffet...

You get my vote for funniest shiat ever posted. Almost made beer come out my nose on that one.

BTW, pro-change crowd, can we talk about how you're advocating further hardship on the FURLOUGHED PILOTS now?

Didn't think so. Y'all deserve gonorrhea for getting this thing changed.

 

[Nindiri]

When are we going to address the dangers of letting pilots with 80 pound beer guts into cockpits? Those guys are heart attacks looking for a place to happen.

 

[TexaSWA]

2. Drugs. They allow it in parks in Zurich. Any drug you want. Go for it. The crime rate doesn't seem to be that bad in Zurich, even with drugs in the open. Let's allow it here.

HERE!!! HERE!!! Ill vote for that.

 

[Andy]

Wrong again. The age 60 rule was not enacted for safety reasons. Look it up.

They were looking at limiting maximum pilot ages WELL before the rule was enacted. Here are some links (from a pro-change website, of all ironies):

http://www.age60rule.com/docs/1952_airport_and_nbors.pdf

http://www.age60rule.com/docs/1953_asma_aging_comm.pdf

http://www.age60rule.com/docs/1954_asma_ageing_comm.pdf

http://www.age60rule.com/docs/1959_navy_recco.pdf

http://www.age60rule.com/docs/1959_qs_med_panel.pdf

It looks like the rule was enacted for safety rather than some backdoor conspiracy that gets passed around here.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

When are we going to address the dangers of letting pilots with 80 pound beer guts into cockpits? Those guys are heart attacks looking for a place to happen.

Now, Now...

That's discrimination. These guys are lipid challenged. Or waist enhanced.

Seriously--for the same reason airlines are no longer allowed to give you a physical as part of the interview. Federal law does not allow employers to health screen you beyond what is required for the job. I think it has something to do with the American's with Disabilities Act.

Age discrimination is supposed to be outlawed too, but it happens as we all know.