QX Hiring

[Buschpilot]

[FONT=&quot]First of all, a college degree is preferred at Horizon, not required. So, those of you without college degrees can stop feeling sorry for yourselves unless you don’t have a high school diploma either. Second, I'm really tired of people on this forum without college degrees complaining about companies that give preferential hiring to those of us who do. Gee I wonder who a company would choose to hire: a person with good flying skills, great personality, and no former education? Or a person with good flying skills, great personality, and a 4-year degree? [/FONT]

Amen.

Fedex won't hire me because I don't meet their mins - even though I'm a really great guy and have lots of experience and am educated and am really personable and I know people who know people.

I still don't meet their requirements. Guess I'll just have to work towards that goal instead of berating them.

 

[Captainzero1]

guys, get your 4 year degree. it took me 9 years to get mine working fulltime. nothing is promised to you in this biz, have a backup plan always and your degree is it.

 

[onewithwings]

They're a lot of guys out there with good flying skills great personalities that don't have a degree.

Hey, I feel your pain. My own son fits that mold...it's very disappointing.

It's my understanding the Chief Pilot was a UND graduate. In addition, QX and UND have an agreement regarding their training curiculum/program. (correct me if I'm wrong).

Having a degree is a preference and not a requirement. The Chief Pilot recently sent me an email to inform me that he would not accept resume's from candidates without some form of a degree.

JMTC

 

[FlyingToIST]

[FONT=&quot]First of all, a college degree is preferred at Horizon, not required. So, those of you without college degrees can stop feeling sorry for yourselves unless you don’t have a high school diploma either. Second, I'm really tired of people on this forum without college degrees complaining about companies that give preferential hiring to those of us who do. Gee I wonder who a company would choose to hire: a person with good flying skills, great personality, and no former education? Or a person with good flying skills, great personality, and a 4-year degree? [/FONT]

MALRS,
I have two degrees, I didn't even bother applying though. I have had friends that were rampers who told me about people who were hired directly from GFK.
A budy of mine who is a frieghter with 4 year degree didn't even get the call; another person with way above mins didn't get the call; then again some CFIs that I interviewed are so stuck on "I am in this thing for a month or two, after that i will go to Horizon" deal..
Horizon is a nice company, but there is sure too many UNDers with attitudes there..
(Oh yeah, didn't the CP's daugther go there too)

 

[stuckinGFK]

Hey, I feel your pain. My own son fits that mold...it's very disappointing.

It's my understanding the Chief Pilot was a UND graduate. In addition, QX and UND have an agreement regarding their training curiculum/program. (correct me if I'm wrong).

Having a degree is a preference and not a requirement. The Chief Pilot recently sent me an email to inform me that he would not accept resume's from candidates without some form of a degree.

JMTC

Chief Pilot is a UND grad, but I'm not sure about the training curriculum being something Horizon has a say in. Most of the CFI's at UND I know hired there deserved it. They were hard workers and great pilots.

I understand how some people would become frustrated because they haven't been called to interview. Tough crap. Horizon's business is none of my own. As a company, they can do whatever they want.

I think the reason they keep coming back, UND grads stay longer from what I hear(thus reducing training cost), and have passed training without problems. If this program had not proven sucessful, I'm sure QX would have ended it a long time ago. But it hasn't, so they'll continue to hire UND grads at reduced mins until there's a problem with it.

 

[JAC2LAS]

have passed training without problems.

You seem to be implying that UNDer's have a higher pass percentage in Horizon's training program than people who come from other places. If so, talk to a few check-airmen and see if your opinion changes.

 

[mrnolmts]

...UND grads stay longer from what I hear...

I think that's what LaMar was counting on when we started hiring UND grads. However, quite a few of the early ones bolted rather quickly for "greener and better pastures". I think LaMar was quite disappointed over that.
The fact that we have them staying now has more to do with the situation in the industry than anything, imho. I would be surprised to hear the majority are considering QX as a permanent job.
As far as the quality, I've seen both. Most have done very well, some show their lack of experience. Most have great attitudes, some think they're God's gift to aviation, and walk around like they're a 777 Capt at AA. They are the guys who think they deserve this job, not realizing they are lucky to have gotten the chance most have to wait a whole lot longer for... Luckily, we only have a couple of those... And no, you don't know who you are..
Overall, I think the UND experience has been a plus for QX. Like I said, most of the guys are doing great. At least as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Southbound]

MALRS,
I have two degrees, I didn't even bother applying though. I have had friends that were rampers who told me about people who were hired directly from GFK.
A budy of mine who is a frieghter with 4 year degree didn't even get the call; another person with way above mins didn't get the call; then again some CFIs that I interviewed are so stuck on "I am in this thing for a month or two, after that i will go to Horizon" deal..
Horizon is a nice company, but there is sure too many UNDers with attitudes there..
(Oh yeah, didn't the CP's daugther go there too)

I usually roll my eyes in private at comments like yours but seriously,....are you for real? Did one of your TWO DEGREES come in spelling? Did you learn in one of your 12 intro Psych or English or History or Soc classes about being humble or talking less to prove more? You have no idea what you are talking about. Who is this fictitious CP's daughter? There are many more than two who have been hired "directly from GFK" but I'm sure your ramper friends told you how they did in training.
I am the last person to stick up for Undies, however, you have no idea how to spell or wtf you are talking about. Contribute something worth while or go away.
QX is an above average regional airline with an insane upgrade time and nice equipment in the Pacific NW. Will never be anything more or less. Get your degree if you want to apply or move on.

 

[JAC2LAS]

Hey Pilotlbs,

What's with the avatar? That doesn't appear to be any of the a/c you list as having flown.

-Blucher

He's in training for it right now, so...currently just a poser.

 

[pilotlbs]

Hey Pilotlbs,

What's with the avatar? That doesn't appear to be any of the a/c you list as having flown.

-Blucher

You're right I haven't flown it, I didn't know I needed to have a picture of what I've flown on my avatar . I'll take it down if you'd like.

onewithwings:
You got it, good candidates are lost because of the degree "requirement." Oh well maybe they'll let up on it if they're short on pilots. Otherwise there are some regionals just as good that'll bring him on. Good luck to him!

 

[pilotlbs]

He's in training for it right now, so...currently just a poser.

:smash:

 

[DashTrash400]

Awright, enough ragging on the UND folks. In my class I was the only UND person and I had 2400/700 w/ 2 yrs freight flying experience; most of the others were similarly qualified. The majority did have at least A.S. degrees. While I've seen the company hire plenty of UND low-timers lately, they've hired a LOT of Mesaba/ACA furloughees, Piedmont refugees, freight doggers, and other people with experience. So don't go blaming the UND kiddies for all your woes...

I think that with upgrade times as high as they are (with no relief in sight) the company is going to have to lower their minimums. We're pretty seriously short on Q400 FOs right now, I just had 7 days off and crew sked called me to fly every single day. I didn't answer, of course...I need people below me a whole lot more than I need extra $.

 

[tomdav]

MALRS,
Horizon is a nice company, but there is sure too many UNDers with attitudes there..
(Oh yeah, didn't the CP's daugther go there too) [/quote

While there are always a few bad apples in any group most of the @#!@#!'s that I've dealt with are non UND. I consider myself lucky when I was hired back in 95 with no degree. Its all about timing!

 

[QCappy]

QX has some sick hiring practices. While frieghtdogs, good instructors are not getting hired, people with UND connection get there at 300ish hours.. All that for soon to be reduced wages and 7 year upgrades?

Wow! A little bitter aren't you? And please answer me this....why are we going to have our wages reduced?

 

[QXpeon]

How about you do a little research before you talk about something you know nothing about.

Mins are 750 and 50.

And no, I was not hired or did not apply to QX.

Mins are 1000/100 plus a 4-year. Straight from horizonair.com

Get YOUR facts stratight.