Questions for the UNICAL pilots.

[Ex737Driver]

Seriously? You haven't noticed that LUAL 757s are being retired and replaced with LCAL 737s? This has been going on for a while; you'd have to be unconscious to not notice.

As far as LCAL aircraft ordered before 10/1/2010, LUAL cash is paying a large percentage for those aircraft. LUAL could have used that cash to buy their own aircraft, but there was no need to - LCAL ordered too many aircraft as a standalone airline.

Yes lual aircraft are being retired and 737's are replacing them on an ALMOST one for one basis. What lual cash? Lcal has had to spend 1/2 billon to bring most of luals aircraft up to lcals standards. All of lcals orders before 10/1/2010 were accounted for and replaced all 737-500's and somegrowth and now lual gets to enjoy those orders and CA seats while getting rid of their mx pigs and junk 757's. Sounds like a large windfall to most here.

 

[Shrek]

Wow and I thought there was only UAL since 2010.
Get over it - the list is final - reduce your stress unless you are senior to me.

 

[canadflyau]

CASH...? When did we start paying cash for new planes?

Now, checking out the special charges and merger charges, a lot of cash was burned on many things, but financing airplanes? So is it credit/cash/assets on hand, credit available you want to discuss?

 

[RT8VA]

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[bluefin]

820 to 2390 at retirement, - 34% thats a screw job, but oh well just deal with it folks!!!!

 

[canadflyau]

820 to 2390 at retirement, - 34% thats a screw job, but oh well just deal with it folks!!!!

I'm not sure whom you fly for, but attempting to interpolate it like the arbs for 10/2010

per 10/2000 snapshot
if LUAL, 820 out of approx 6300 active jobs brought to the merger, 13%
if LCAL, 820 out of approx 4600 active jobs brought to the merger, 17.8%
2390 out of the approx 10900 total active jobs brought to the merger, 21.9%

Or looking at it another way.

Looking at total pilots, including inactive positions per 10/2000
if LUAL, 820 out of 7669 pilots, 10.7%
if LCAL, 820 out of 4786 pilots, 17.1%
2390 out of the 12155 pilots, 19.6%

I'm still not getting a similar result. However, I'm not sure how merging 2 companies together could have created an expectation of similar retirement number, but surely to be compared to similar retirement percentage. Help my math/logic out. Thanks

 

[chppr5]

I'm not sure whom you fly for, but attempting to interpolate it like the arbs for 10/2010

per 10/2000 snapshot
if LUAL, 820 out of approx 6300 active jobs brought to the merger, 13%
if LCAL, 820 out of approx 4600 active jobs brought to the merger, 17.8%
2390 out of the approx 10900 total active jobs brought to the merger, 21.9%

Or looking at it another way.

Looking at total pilots, including inactive positions per 10/2000
if LUAL, 820 out of 7669 pilots, 10.7%
if LCAL, 820 out of 4786 pilots, 17.1%
2390 out of the 12155 pilots, 19.6%

I'm still not getting a similar result. However, I'm not sure how merging 2 companies together could have created an expectation of similar retirement number, but surely to be compared to similar retirement percentage. Help my math/logic out. Thanks

Your math is fine. The reason the %'s are extreme is because they use their seniority as of Aug 2013 rather than 10/2010. Also the double wammy is the cross overs, instead of staying below the LCAL pilots for the ISL they moved ahead with the 35% longevity score which takes away the buffer at the bottom of the list.

 

[bluefin]

820 to 2390 at retirement, - 34% thats a screw job, but oh well just deal with it folks!!!!

Same metal you do! Just started about 8 yrs before. Those are numbers for my retirement year of 2033. 820 is from DOH at LUAL.

Twice furloughed, forever FU%^&$!!!!

 

[whatitdoing?]

I've had a few beers reading this crap.......blood pressure normal......who cares. Move on people. Bigger things to worry about.

 

[Shrek]

I've had a few beers reading this crap.......blood pressure normal......who cares. Move on people. Bigger things to worry about.

Pass me a beer before we switch the channel !!