Question for SWAPA

[Crash Pad]

Now that the deal is out I gotta know... Knowing Atlanta was going to shrink as a base why didn't you go DOH? I know that was a non-starter for most of this board but.... You go DOH with no protections. You shrink Atlanta. Boom you snag all our junior captain seats.

I was under the impression you wanted the Captain seats.

 

[ASADFW7]

Date of hire hurts many pilots on the back end as AAI is younger, and the snapshot of gaining a couple hundred seats now, and losing all upgrades till 2020 is less equal to SWA pilots and still a windfall for AAI pilots

 

[GuppyWN]

The current deal is a ******************** sandwich but the "best" it is for a Tranny is DOH -2 years up to about DOH-4 years.

In 2013 the 717 will become a SYSTEM bid and in 2020 the entire SLI benefit will start to be realized.

It's a marathon, not a sprint and this deal, while terrible, is better than DOH.

Gup

 

[texman]

The current deal is a ******************** sandwich but the "best" it is for a Tranny is DOH -2 years up to about DOH-4 years.

In 2013 the 717 will become a SYSTEM bid and in 2020 the entire SLI benefit will start to be realized.

It's a marathon, not a sprint and this deal, while terrible, is better than DOH.

Gup

I agree, lets just get it over with and get the party started.

 

[DC10]

i agree, lets just get it over with and get the party started.

+1...

 

[burg]

How bout -1.

Still think its a bad idea. Guy Jr to me makes 500k more than I do over the next 8 years. Sorry but I'm really having a difficult time with that.

 

[GuppyWN]

Guy Jr. was going to be a captain weather his paycheck said Tranny or SWA.

But I'm up for argument.

Gup

 

[hairball1173]

I think (scary) the forward looking 0 growth projections are one way to look at the list. Also, there are options for AAI Capt to leave the left seat (don't know how many will) for the right seat for QOL. Bottom line is all left seat upgrades go to the SWA FO's before any AAI Fo's. Even in ATL.

 

[Frequency]

How bout -1.

Still think its a bad idea. Guy Jr to me makes 500k more than I do over the next 8 years. Sorry but I'm really having a difficult time with that.

I dont know your position on the list but the guy junior to you was probably hired at Airtran a few years before you were at SWA.

 

[texman]

I am in the bottom 100 at SWA. I will be 500 #s away from upgrade in 2020, But will be senior(out of 7865). QOL is everything to me. I want to see my kids grow up. If I get 27 years left in the left seat, I will be happy.LOL

 

[Cometman]

How bout -1.

Still think its a bad idea. Guy Jr to me makes 500k more than I do over the next 8 years. Sorry but I'm really having a difficult time with that.

Some people make out more than others. It is life. Some people die younger or get cancer or have a family problems. It is just a fact of life. If you have your health and a good job and still make out, although not as good as some others consider yourself lucky. The same guy you mention that makes more money could be the guy that finds out he has a health problem that gives him one year to live. Now who is the lucky one? In 50 years nobody involved with this will be here anyway.

 

[oriondriver]

I dont know your position on the list but the guy junior to you was probably hired at Airtran a few years before you were at SWA.

Approximately 300-350 trannies are junior to me by DOH. In a no growth scenario they make 60-70K a year more than me over the next several years.
But wait if I fly with one of these lottery winners and I satisfy all the fine print in SL9 I get an extra 1.25 TFP premium. The only good thing I see is if the sick feeling I get in the pit of my stomach from flying with someone several years junior to me prevents me from going to work, the premium still applies.

 

[Ty Webb]

Also, there are options for AAI Capt to leave the left seat (don't know how many will) for the right seat for QOL.

Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of incentive for AAI CA's to give up the seat, since after the loss of three or four years of seniority, they would be mid-level FO's, not senior FO's. It's too bad this wasn't addressed, as some AAI CA's would certainly give up the seat to be senior FO's

Bottom line is all left seat upgrades go to the SWA FO's before any AAI Fo's. Even in ATL.

I don't think there will be any ATL upgrades, since 40% of all 737 CA's will be displaced from ATL, and the "right of return" would go to one of those displaced CA's first, if I understand the agreement correctly.

Regds,
TW

 

[ArcadiaMaxima]

For 8 years...then game on

 

[ArcadiaMaxima]

Some people make out more than others. It is life. Some people die younger or get cancer or have a family problems. It is just a fact of life. If you have your health and a good job and still make out, although not as good as some others consider yourself lucky. The same guy you mention that makes more money could be the guy that finds out he has a health problem that gives him one year to live. Now who is the lucky one? In 50 years nobody involved with this will be here anyway.

Cometman...I hope you don't mind buti am stealing your post and putting on our other forum sites. It is so true....others should read it.

 

[Taco Rocket]

You guys are hysterical, making predictions 8+ years out -- an eternity in the airline business.

 

[Cometman]

Cometman...I hope you don't mind buti am stealing your post and putting on our other forum sites. It is so true....others should read it.

No problem.

 

[Beechdriver32]

Ty Webb,

Just a heads up, someone is posting under your name. Rational thoughts and no one called a d-bag? Must be someone else.

Either that or you finally figured out that you won the lottery.

Wonder which?

BD32

 

[wood pecker]

If this does not go out for a vote isn't there still time to change things?

 

[GuppyWN]

Yes.

Gup