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aa73

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Hey all,

Watched an AE 135 taking off today from LGA with the side window totally blocked by a huge silver sun shade... Normal practice or did he forget to remove it? Seems like it would be a safety issue as side view (and a little bit of forward view) seemed to be totally blocked off by the shade.

thx, 73
 

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Silver is what you see, but its just like sunglasses in the window the inside. I see no safety issue. We had them on all the 140's and 170's
 

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So you are saying that the pilot can see through the shade (transparent) but outsiders cannot see inside? That would make sense.
 

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Hey all,

Watched an AE 135 taking off today from LGA with the side window totally blocked by a huge silver sun shade... Normal practice or did he forget to remove it? Seems like it would be a safety issue as side view (and a little bit of forward view) seemed to be totally blocked off by the shade.

thx, 73
Whats the difference? Sun shade or the sun beaming into the side window so bad you can't see out of it anyway? Sometimes it helps to block some rays in the morning to help see in front of you.

Now if the AE135 was taking off down the runway in a sideways motion we might have a problem! LOL
 

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Just curious, as I have never seen an entire window totally blocked off during such a critical time as takeoff, where one would want maximum visibility, especially with intersecting runways. Now, as I said earlier, if they are see-through then no big deal.
 

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Yes, those shades are transparent. Think of them like a thin version of the glass in (TV) police interrogation rooms.
 

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There you go. Okay now we can return to our regular scheduled FI programing.
 

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Thanks.

WSurf, back to duct taping LowlyPropCapt to the water heater.
 

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If you need get instrument current, you just throw them up and log it as hood time.
 

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Hey all,

Watched an AE 135 taking off today from LGA with the side window totally blocked by a huge silver sun shade... Normal practice or did he forget to remove it? Seems like it would be a safety issue as side view (and a little bit of forward view) seemed to be totally blocked off by the shade.

thx, 73
Safety issue? Geeeesh. Grow some will ya. LOL
 

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Another 135, 145 question...Is it possible to lock the gust lock (or what ever it is that comes up on the thrust levers while @ idle) in flight?
I heard of this happening but figured it was BS.
 

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Is it possible to lock the gust lock (or what ever it is that comes up on the thrust levers while @ idle) in flight?
The electromechanical gust locks are WOW protected. I'm not positive about the mechanical locks, however.
 

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Yes...I know of an instance of the electromechanical gust lock being locked while in flight.

The locking pins did not engage in the elevator however they were not able to get the gust lock out of it's "locked" position because the control column has to be in a certain position. So essentially they had normal elevator authority but the thrust was limited to as far as you can get the thrust levers up to before knocking into the gust lock. Roughly half way up.

Story goes the FO was reaching for the spoilers and grabbed the gust lock. I believe it too...some guys are in such a freaking rush to hit this or that button...Sometimes I swear it's like an "after takeoff checklist olympics." How fast and at how low an altitude can I do all these things.
 

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For the mechanical lock to be engaged on the ground or in flight the control column has to be in the full forward position. If the column is full forward in flight, you've got a bigger problem than the gust lock.
 

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Hey all,

Watched an AE 135 taking off today from LGA with the side window totally blocked by a huge silver sun shade... Normal practice or did he forget to remove it? Seems like it would be a safety issue as side view (and a little bit of forward view) seemed to be totally blocked off by the shade.

thx, 73
G-damn kids and their RJ's. :rolleyes: :D
 

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For the mechanical lock to be engaged on the ground or in flight the control column has to be in the full forward position. If the column is full forward in flight, you've got a bigger problem than the gust lock.
That's what I thought, since that's how it is in our sims, which have mechanical locks.

We were picking up a plane once, and maintenance was on board. Apparently the previous crew had written up the electromechanical gust lock because it could be locked in flight. I asked the captain, "How do you suppose they discovered that?"
 

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The last time I was flying aircraft that had gustlocks was back in my Cessna single engine training days.
I had no idea rj's had gust locks.
 

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Thanks.

WSurf, back to duct taping LowlyPropCapt to the water heater.
AWESOME! Need some help? I got a couple spare rolls of that aluminum HVAC tape laying around. Could be a good time!
 
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For the mechanical lock to be engaged on the ground or in flight the control column has to be in the full forward position. If the column is full forward in flight, you've got a bigger problem than the gust lock.
The control column should be full forward to engage the gust lock, but in this case that safety mechanism failed and the gust lock was engaged in flight with the control column in a flying position. It happened like a previous poster described, however, the gust lock was not brought back to the "locked" position, only the halfway position. This allowed around 85% thrust and full elevator movement.
 
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