Question for CRJ pilots

[sunlitpath]

Don't be afraid of the flight spoilers. They work great, and they are free.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I can't believe how many serious responses this obvious flame bait got. C'mon guys!

 

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I can't believe how many serious responses this obvious flame bait got. C'mon guys!

Not many serious responses. More mocking, sarcastic ones.

 

[Flyin2low]

I use the flight spoilers and the APU intake door to slow and I went to Riddle Diddle. Ha......

 

[glasspilot]

I think the op's point was regarding slowing the plane in level flight. I've seen a few guys do this and it would take a very strange situation for that to not be bad form.

As far as descents, that handle is for MY mistakes, not ATCs. If I'm about to miss a crossing restriction, then by all means the boards come up. If ATC forgot and wants "best rate" then they stay down. If ATC gives some crazy crossing restriction that's going to require 3,500 fpm or more then there is an easy fix..."unable".

If anybody thinks its okay to use the spoilers to simply slow from 300 kts to 200 kts in level flight, then I'd say you are a less than stellar pilot.

Fly safe,

gp

 

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Do it, do it

 

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If anybody thinks its okay to use the spoilers to simply slow from 300 kts to 200 kts in level flight, then I'd say you are a less than stellar pilot.

gp

Not that I do this, but do you think they honestly care what you'd have to say?

 

[777forever]

Bad Form? WTF? Is someone keeping score like in figure skating? Saying unable to reach a crossing restriction just because you don't want to pull the spoiler out is ridiculous

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Hey glasspilot. I too try to use the energy of the airplane rather then pulling spoilers but if needed, I have no problem using them. Next time you get cleared for a five mile final at night in uncontrolled airport from 5000 ft. Just slip it and then see just how stellar you are. Before you start about atc screwing up let me just say that it would be the same as you missing a hand off, and atc refusing to repeat. Let me guess, when a ramper wants to borrow a pen to correct load menifest you deny him?

 

[flyboyike]

Where did this idiocy of using the spoilers is in "bad form" came from?

Well, some guys use that spoiler handle as an on/off switch. They just go right to max up in one yank and then back down in one push. I was taught one click, wait for the advisory message, then continue one click at a time as needed. Same with stowing them. Much smoother that way.

 

[LearCrj]

I think the op's point was regarding slowing the plane in level flight. I've seen a few guys do this and it would take a very strange situation for that to not be bad form.

As far as descents, that handle is for MY mistakes, not ATCs. If I'm about to miss a crossing restriction, then by all means the boards come up. If ATC forgot and wants "best rate" then they stay down. If ATC gives some crazy crossing restriction that's going to require 3,500 fpm or more then there is an easy fix..."unable".

If anybody thinks its okay to use the spoilers to simply slow from 300 kts to 200 kts in level flight, then I'd say you are a less than stellar pilot.

Fly safe,

gp

Uh! There is a speed limit at 10,000 feet and I bet you fly for Delta. I know this because you are always right, everyone else is always wrong and you miss all of your radio calls!

 

[glasspilot]

Uh! There is a speed limit at 10,000 feet and I bet you fly for Delta. I know this because you are always right, everyone else is always wrong and you miss all of your radio calls!

Actually, there is only the subsonic speed limit AT 10,000 feet. The speed limit you refer to is 250 kias BELOW 10,000' msl.

There is no limitation on spoilers above or below 10,000 except at some flap settings.

I assume your post refers to my comment of slowing from 300 to 200. Obviously I was referring to above 10,000. Riddle guys could figure that out.

Also, I do not fly for Delta and I'm not always right. But, neither are you from the looks of that post.

 

[glasspilot]

Hey glasspilot. I too try to use the energy of the airplane rather then pulling spoilers but if needed, I have no problem using them. Next time you get cleared for a five mile final at night in uncontrolled airport from 5000 ft. Just slip it and then see just how stellar you are. Before you start about atc screwing up let me just say that it would be the same as you missing a hand off, and atc refusing to repeat. Let me guess, when a ramper wants to borrow a pen to correct load menifest you deny him?

I would NEVER slip a swept wing airplane. If you think that's even "maybe" okay then I hope you discuss it at you next training event.

I'd be happy to give one of my hundreds of free hotel pens to anyone who asked, even you.

 

[glasspilot]

Bad Form? WTF? Is someone keeping score like in figure skating? Saying unable to reach a crossing restriction just because you don't want to pull the spoiler out is ridiculous

Yes, someone is keeping score. It's the passengers. From the TSA making air travel intolerable (not really your fault), to lost bags, to cramped airplanes, to denied boardings, to grumpy CSRs, grumpy FAs to super long PAs from the cockpit to inform nobody who cares what runway we're landing on and it's 85 in MCO with "clear skies" and winds from the South East at 3 kts (no kidding! really?!), to being lied to about what's going on, to spending the night on a CRJ, to super heating a house in Buffalo, to no more food, to paying for checked bags, to paying for carry-ons, to unfair pricing, to disgusting lavs, to uber long advertisements for a stupid airline credit card on the PA that you HAVE to listen to, to the movie getting turned off 10 minutes from the ending, to you SLOWING THE PLANE WITH THE SPOILERS because you don't care about passenger comfort...

Just to name a few. Yes, someone IS keeping score...just like in figure skating. And the smoothness of you landing, unlike times past, is the least of the factors.

Still don't work for Delta, and if I did I'd quit.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

I would NEVER slip a swept wing airplane. If you think that's even "maybe" okay then I hope you discuss it at you next training event.

I'd be happy to give one of my hundreds of free hotel pens to anyone who asked, even you.

Thanks for the aerodynamic lesson but I'm fully aware of the danger. I was implying..... in the scenerio above, what would you use in Leu of flight spoilors?

 

[Tarzan]

As far as descents, that handle is for MY mistakes, not ATCs. If I'm about to miss a crossing restriction, then by all means the boards come up. If ATC forgot and wants "best rate" then they stay down. If ATC gives some crazy crossing restriction that's going to require 3,500 fpm or more then there is an easy fix..."unable".

Yeah right. Turn 30 degrees left for your descent.

I bet you are fun to fly with.

 

[glasspilot]

I don't know, maybe I'd use something crazy like speed control throughout the approach so I'm not too fast at 5,000' like your scenario presented.

Look, I'm not AGAINST speed brakes, I'm not. I use 'em if I need 'em. I was just saying it looked to me like the OP was talking about slowing in level flight with spoilers and if you are for that then you suck as an aviator. That's not opinion, it's fact.

About to miss a crossing restriction? Fine use them. ATC gives you a crossing restriction that requires spoilers? Say "unable" and take the vector. This is basic stuff folks. If you disagree then you probably have the frosted hair toten a backpack in uniform with an iPod to boot. You are the problem, not me.

 

[glasspilot]

Yeah right. Turn 30 degrees left for your descent.

I bet you are fun to fly with.

Oh my, a 30 degree turn! You're right, that wouldn't be any FUN would it?

You equate taking a vector with "fun to fly with"? Wow, we are in grammar school here aren't we?

Tell ya what, do what ever you want. No skin off my nose if you do zero G level offs. As long as you have "fun" right?

 

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I think that the general consensus is that you must be a pleasure to fly with glasspilot. :laugh::beer:


Using the spoilers are fine, just bring them in slowly.

 

[RJLoser]

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