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deemee boosgkee

deemee boosgkee

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Wondering what your personal limitations are on winds for takeoff and landing. I see some of the costal airport TAF's are forecasting gusts to 42kts as a big storm system is moving onshore. As for those traversing the range what are your limitations for winds aloft (to minimize exposure to possible severe turbulence in rough terrain.) I noticed at 12,000 tomorrow morning the winds are foreceast at 80 kts give or take in the Cascades. Is it routine to fly in those conditions?


Pardon my ignorance as I am a relatively low time flatland pilot, not to mention a bit buzzed from a nice 40 of Bud!!
 
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I'm not based in PDX anymore, but I spent 9 mo. flying the 'Jo on the coast runs. I've never not gone due to winds aloft, but got the crap kicked out of me many times. I never saw AMF wind speed limitations get exceeded by winds at the airport, although it's possible and it has come close. For the most part the wind was straight down the runway or a slight crosswind in Newport, North Bend and Crescent City. I've done ILS's in North Bend with close to 80 degrees of crosswind gusting to 35 kts, but was able to make it in. Nevertheless, practice makes perfect. Don't hurt yourself or the plane...

Yes, I'd say it is routine to fly in rough air on the coast, especially during the winter. It gets pretty bumpy, but I don't think I ever went through anything that was beyond the capability of the aircraft. Talk to some of the experienced 99 drivers in PDX, they will have some good advice.

If its beyond AMF limits when you check the ASOS, then divert, or maybe hold for a few minutes... Check the OPS Manual on the specifics.
 
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deemee boosgkee said:
Is it routine to fly in those conditions?
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Yes.

-A former PDX coast run pilot :)


Edit: Not implying that you should attempt anything that you feel is beyond your or the airplane's capabilities, though. Don't let you-know-who in the morning in PDX push you around. :uzi:
 
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40kts max. above 50kts we are not to even taxi.

I've only had a run cancelled once due to wind. Use your best judgement though. Stay safe.
 
Every day was a sucky day to hang out in Tillamook. What a hole. :0

The only thing that run had going for it was getting home early at night!
 
deemee boosgkee said:
Saw a METAR for AST a few hrs ago and it was [FONT=Monospace,Courier]20031G60KT[/FONT]!! I'll bet that a nice cold beer is in store for the evening instead!


Thanks for the replies everyone.
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Well if it makes anybody feel any better, the current pilot on tillamook got pulled out of there a little after noon, so I don't think he needs any beer. Personaly he got off way too easy, especialy since I had to put up with it tonight, my plane might need a new interior.
 
You AMF PDX types are in luck that Gary got rid of the Caravans you had, I spent years out of PDX in the van and it handles like crap in the wind. I would take the Navajo, 99, 402, low wing any day. Fact is I hear some vans were damaged in PDX yesterday, no details, anyone hear the same?
 
DZ BUM & EFS said:
You AMF PDX types are in luck that Gary got rid of the Caravans you had, I spent years out of PDX in the van and it handles like crap in the wind. I would take the Navajo, 99, 402, low wing any day. Fact is I hear some vans were damaged in PDX yesterday, no details, anyone hear the same?
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No idea, I made it in around 7, got lucky and was one of the first AMF's in, it looked like all but maybe 3-4 of empire's vans were parked. One of the rampers said that watching one of the vans on final looked like an aerobatics show with lots of wing movement.
 
I was lucky and escaped the bullet by being diverted from having to cross the Cascades. Listening to the sesoned 99 pilots in front of me trade details of icing vs. turbulence ahead of me, left me with a choice of which sounded better/worse? Following their route with my double digit ground speed PA31 was not looking like fun.

As soon as Ops told me to divert I felt some relief, but there was little comfort in the rest of my flight. While being vectored for the approach the controller had to put me in a box pattern to get me down with my fast ground speed.

While on final with a 400 foot ceiling I listened to the tower report the winds every 30 seconds or so, each time it was a different intesity from a different direction. A smarter man would have thought of windshear before it hit me. As the ASI crept over 140, I thought "AMF is 120, but what does the POH say?" As the ASI went below 80 and the stall warning horn was blaring, my concern for the gear doors went away. Then the ASI went to the mid 100s again before finally settling down. Then things were calm and quiet again and I thought that wasn't so bad. When I looked at the needles they were both pegged, with the GS pegged to the top of the HSI, I thought "Where am I?"

With assistance from ATC I managed to go around without hitting anything and shoot an approach in now VFR conditions. The airport was easy to find and I could of seen it a long ways out if I had looked out the copilot's side window earlier.

I came away with a new respect for wind shear.
 
RefugePilot said:
With assistance from ATC I managed to go around without hitting anything and shoot an approach in now VFR conditions. The airport was easy to find and I could of seen it a long ways out if I had looked out the copilot's side window earlier.

I came away with a new respect for wind shear.
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I was talking with MW yesterday and now I know what he was saying about some of you guys getting some big experience points in your flight bag.
 
Any of you PDX'ers (or former for that matter) hear the story of a former PDX'er we lovingly called "BANK BAG"??? Rumor goes he took a Shart in a USBANK bag when flying the 402 on the coast. Couldn't hold over ONP for that long I guess...

Ask SPBRIAN about it. I'm sure he remembers the story.
 
Any freight pilot who doesn't consider Immodium tablets as part of their essential equipment earn lovely names like Bank Bag. Take note young pups. Also, any combination of Chipotle burritos and Kashi cereal should not be consumed within 24 hours of a flight. Things you learn when you are master of the Golgothan. That is all.
 
Buff,
No. They handed me the type when I accepted the job offer. Now the question remains. Who will use their type sooner? You or I? ;)

Citabria,
How do you expect to upgrade to Master of the Brozilla when you don't have proper knowledge of He-Man and The Masters of the Universe? You just made Skeletor's sh*t list. The Golgothan was the poop demon summoned to attack the last scion and Jay and Silent Bob in the movie Dogma. With that in mind it is what I have dubbed my half beagle half weiner fecal factory of a dog. We also refer to him as the beiner.
 
I'm laughing so hard I don't even know where to begin... :laugh:

First of all, I was 3 years old when He-Man and the Masters of the Universe was canceled. I only barely caught the reruns on Cartoon Network a year or so ago... Not all of us are old enough farts to impress others with our "gee whiz" He-Man knowledge. Now, I do remember a "Gargamel"... Smurfs I think. Somewhat easy to confuse with Golgathon or Castle Grayskull. :confused:

As for your dog... Something like this?

http://www.wienerdogrescue.com/images/chomper.jpg
 
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Close, but he's blonde and if he isn't stuffing his face he's using it to grimace while he takes a grumpy.
 
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Do I know "Bank Bag"? I don't think I ever heard that story... At least it was a 402 where he could get a hold of a bank bag and not a Chieftain with that stupid wall in the way.

psysicx said:
ESF did you skip the 99 and go straight to the Metro?
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No, I flew the 99 for awhile and will stay qualified in it.
 
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citabriapilot said:
I'm laughing so hard I don't even know where to begin... :laugh:

First of all, I was 3 years old when He-Man and the Masters of the Universe was canceled. I only barely caught the reruns on Cartoon Network a year or so ago... Not all of us are old enough farts to impress others with our "gee whiz" He-Man knowledge. Now, I do remember a "Gargamel"... Smurfs I think.
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And some of us are too d*** OLD to have watched He-Man. lol
 
DZ BUM & EFS said:
You AMF PDX types are in luck that Gary got rid of the Caravans you had, I spent years out of PDX in the van and it handles like crap in the wind. I would take the Navajo, 99, 402, low wing any day. Fact is I hear some vans were damaged in PDX yesterday, no details, anyone hear the same?
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The best thing to do with a Caravan is use it for target practice!

As for the PDX WX, typical PDX ATC, delay, delay, delay!

With the exception of a couple of controllers, PDX ATC rivals PHX for incompetence!
 
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The best thing to do with a Caravan is use it for target practice!

As for the PDX WX, typical PDX ATC, delay, delay, delay!

With the exception of a couple of controllers, PDX ATC rivals PHX for incompetence!
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Next time I should take after you and completely bypass all of the useless incompotence and deviate to more hospitable soil, alabeit the thought of staying in that dump of a hotel at night makes me cringe. I usualy don't pack thinking i'm going to stay in the ghetto on day trips, you know knives, guns, and a midget to stand guard. :uzi:
 

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