Q400 Rates on the horizon for SkyWest?

[sstearns2]

Exactly! Skywest can just pay the pilots Horizon +10% without "negotiating" with sapa or putting anything to vote.

We voted down the first new pay agreement offered last year and they came back with a better one which we approved. We both have contracts. The only difference is that we cant legally go on strike.

I think Skywest got these airplane because we operate a much larger fleet of CRJs than Horizon did so Skywest can get a prices on parts, overhauls, etc. I don't think it has anything to do with pilot pay.

I for one would rather see the airplanes stay at Horizon. Skywest will be at the other end of this one day. We should all be working on our exit strategy.

Cheers,
Scott

 

[homerjdispatch]

No, we don't need a dispatcher telling us how to vote.

Here is the thing, bigSix... I support our pilots 100%. If they voted to unionize, more power to them (literally)... I dont feel that the dispatchers job is to fight the pilot, I am one who feels my job is to support you all. If you need anything, I will bend over backwards to see it gets done. Its a waste of my time to argue with crews over fuel, etc. (it pisses me off when i hear otherd do it). If you call and ask for more gas, my answer is always, "sure how much would you like me to tell them to put on, and would you like a new release?".

 

[amcnd]

We have been on the other end of this... Lost our Midwest flying when Republic bought them. Lost our EMB120 IAH flying... ASA/ Mesaba and Express Jet Came into SLC several times and lowered our block hours... Eagle took Delta LAX flying via a codeshare years back that we were doing on the E120.. It will always continue.. no one is safe...

 

[Flyguy1226]

We have been on the other end of this... Lost our Midwest flying when Republic bought them. Lost our EMB120 IAH flying... ASA/ Mesaba and Express Jet Came into SLC several times and lowered our block hours... Eagle took Delta LAX flying via a codeshare years back that we were doing on the E120.. It will always continue.. no one is safe...

Your Midwest flying, huh?

 

[Nevets]

We voted down the first new pay agreement offered last year and they came back with a better one which we approved. We both have contracts. The only difference is that we cant legally go on strike.

I think Skywest got these airplane because we operate a much larger fleet of CRJs than Horizon did so Skywest can get a prices on parts, overhauls, etc. I don't think it has anything to do with pilot pay.

I for one would rather see the airplanes stay at Horizon. Skywest will be at the other end of this one day. We should all be working on our exit strategy.

Cheers,
Scott

Who signed on behalf of the pilots? Did anyone sign a contract? Who signs the contract when its amended? Or does anyone even sign anything every time its changed? Can Skywest give you a raise without anyone signing the contract? Who is the final arbitrator is a dispute resolution? If it is any of the supposed signatories to the contract, then it's not a contract.

If pay wasn't an issue, then why wouldn't they just give you a "contract" with industry leading pay? Especially since they have this economy of scale you talk about.

Kool-Aid must be thicker than blood at Skywest.

 

[Arrow11]

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[cbrown1]

Who signed on behalf of the pilots? Did anyone sign a contract? Who signs the contract when its amended? Or does anyone even sign anything every time its changed? Can Skywest give you a raise without anyone signing the contract? Who is the final arbitrator is a dispute resolution? If it is any of the supposed signatories to the contract, then it's not a contract.

If pay wasn't an issue, then why wouldn't they just give you a "contract" with industry leading pay? Especially since they have this economy of scale you talk about.

Kool-Aid must be thicker than blood at Skywest.

Worry about the crooks you have as your mec chairmen, before you worry about skywest.

 

[Nevets]

Worry about the crooks you have as your mec chairmen, before you worry about skywest.

Can you answer my questions?

 

[BHopper88]

Nevets,
Is there EVER going to be a point where you just worry about "skyeast" and not how to put down us at skywest? From our pay, ASAP program to who signs our "policy" changes.

If you really want to know full details, get a hold of your mec and they can contact sapa and get you all your questions officially answered.
How much of your god complex do u need to prove when you come on here and bash the sky west pilot group. What would you complain about if we did vote in a union?

We do have a backed and protected ASAP program. If u question it contact your MEC to ask sapa for proof.
We have a executive board that has reps from pilots, fa, mx, mgmt and CSA that signs off on policy changes
Sky west CAN NOT change our pay raise or cut (especially new hire) unless it's voted on and passed by the pilots.

Seriously your mind is already made up that we are an inferior group of pilots and if you need your daily fix to blast us continuously, fine, but when someone posts what you are saying is false, like the ASAPs, if u need something official for your ego, contact sap a thru alpa. We all have an open dialog between the INC pilot groups.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

It's signed by MM (or other SAPA pres) and KB and not countersigned by an overpaid lackey in VA. All answers point to yes...except final arbitrator: I suppose the final arbitrator for NevJets' contract is actually a disinterested appointed arbitrator--who may actually rule against you.

 

[WAVIT Inbound]

Nevets,
Is there EVER going to be a point where you just worry about "skyeast" and not how to put down us at skywest? From our pay, ASAP program to who signs our "policy" changes.

If you really want to know full details, get a hold of your mec and they can contact sapa and get you all your questions officially answered.
How much of your god complex do u need to prove when you come on here and bash the sky west pilot group. What would you complain about if we did vote in a union?

We do have a backed and protected ASAP program. If u question it contact your MEC to ask sapa for proof.
We have a executive board that has reps from pilots, fa, mx, mgmt and CSA that signs off on policy changes
Sky west CAN NOT change our pay raise or cut (especially new hire) unless it's voted on and passed by the pilots.

Seriously your mind is already made up that we are an inferior group of pilots and if you need your daily fix to blast us continuously, fine, but when someone posts what you are saying is false, like the ASAPs, if u need something official for your ego, contact sap a thru alpa. We all have an open dialog between the INC pilot groups.

CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP

Every time there is a thread about Skywest I always think to myself....que NEVETS. And without fail there he is. Seems the one person who thinks he is the SkyWest expert doesn't even work there. Guy has a SkyWest hate fetish, that's for sure.

Que NEVETS.... you're up.

 

[cbrown1]

CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP

Every time there is a thread about Skywest I always think to myself....que NEVETS. And without fail there he is. Seems the one person who thinks he is the SkyWest expert doesn't even work there. Guy has a SkyWest hate fetish, that's for sure.

Que NEVETS.... you're up.

I know, it gets old after a while. Every bit of news is always spun negatively by him.

"Me thinks he doth protest too much"

 

[XPOO]

Who signed on behalf of the pilots? Did anyone sign a contract? Who signs the contract when its amended? Or does anyone even sign anything every time its changed? Can Skywest give you a raise without anyone signing the contract? Who is the final arbitrator is a dispute resolution? If it is any of the supposed signatories to the contract, then it's not a contract.

If pay wasn't an issue, then why wouldn't they just give you a "contract" with industry leading pay? Especially since they have this economy of scale you talk about.

Kool-Aid must be thicker than blood at Skywest.

I'll tell you this, NEVETS: You and I both know, way deep down, that if the sh!t ever hits the fan at SkyWest, Inc. it will be ASA/XJT that take it in the shorts LOOOOOOOOOOONG before SKW ever will. And if you didn't know that, you do now. Write it down, seal it in an envelope, put a stamp on it and mail it to yourself so you don't forget again. Start worrying about your own airline(s).

 

[Jetjockey]

It hits the fan at every regional.........It's just a matter of when. Usually when they are at the top.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

It hits the fan at every regional.........It's just a matter of when. Usually when they are at the top.

Whew!
No worries then, SKYWEST has long since peaked, and is rapidly approaching Mesa pre-BK status. All they have to do is file, park a bunch of 200s and enjoy being on par with Mesa, way to go Chip!
PBR

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Horizon is pretty much finished because after 11 years not one regional has had the balls to come close to their pay scale. Even Mesaba's "industry leading" contract used qx's q4 pay scale for 900s and went down from there.

It's better to be industry average, maybe plus a little. If not, the lawn mower comes along at some point. Don't be the only one sticking up.

 

[mrnolmts]

Latest is you guys just agreed to CRJ200 rates for the Q400? Supposedly came directly from a DH SKW pilot. True?

 

[cbrown1]

Latest is you guys just agreed to CRJ200 rates for the Q400? Supposedly came directly from a DH SKW pilot. True?

No, nothing has been agreed upon yet.

 

[ultrarunner]

Your Midwest flying, huh?

Yeah, I had to laugh at that one too Flyguy. Amazing how quickly folks forget who actually lost the flying, since all the RJ pukes essentially feel entitled and now they just fight amongst themselves...which is fine.

 

[NotTooBad]

Your Midwest flying, huh?

A bit sensitive aren't we? I don't believe it was anything to do with entitlement - just simply a way to categorize the flying he was talking about.

When will we begin to see that if regionals and majors work together it will be a much better outcome for all?