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put on CNN with larry king now. 2000..it is good
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If Dougweiser was ever contemplating negotiating doh for these douch bags, it's gone now. USAPA stepped in it big time and now I suspect they'll get a lesson on the importance of diplomacy.
Also, this Kate dumass is an embarassment to stupid people. She isn't qualified to utter a word regarding commercial aviation but Larry King has her on like some kind of expert. Her answers to the callers questions are so ridiculous it leaves the ATA guy virtually speachless.
She should stick to something she obviously knows.
Fake veneered teeth that look freakishly horse-like.
Also, this Kate dumass is an embarassment to stupid people. She isn't qualified to utter a word regarding commercial aviation but Larry King has her on like some kind of expert. Her answers to the callers questions are so ridiculous it leaves the ATA guy virtually speachless.
She should stick to something she obviously knows.
Fake veneered teeth that look freakishly horse-like.
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Yup the coex guy did a nice job of defusing this.
8 guys get spanked for wasting fuel and usapa spends 100K+ putting an ad out that makes the company AND the industry. USAirways is DOOMED!
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Calling anyone a Scab on here is not allowed, that does not mean that I agree with the actions of anyone, but it does mean that I have a rule to enforce, even if I may not want to. It is right there in the rules, which I did not write. I find in especially childish to call someone a scab that is not on the Scab List. Battle it out all you want, but play by the rules please. That is all I am asking. The reason we have the rules is to protect the site from liability so that it will be able to be here tomorrow for you. Please understand that I am by no means taking a side, besides that of the rules that are listed here. We have been through this type of thing before with other pilot groups as you all know, and all we ever ask is that you play by the rules. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that unions have lots of sue happy lawyers, that arn't afraid to sue the website into demise.
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Man - both those blond chicks are about as dumb as they come. Especially the fliers rights woman. Sad thing is most watchers of CNN and Larry King probably think she knows what she is talking about...
Larry King is certainly too stupid to correct her. Bet Anderson Coopers coverage is just as dumb.
You're right...but in this case...it got good publicity for what they were trying to do.
Put management's feet to the fire...
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You are correct Doug is now pissed and your guys will be able to fly across the atlantic with the APU running all of you will feel free to three engine taxi. Bravo
Like I said, the cost of DOH or fences just doubled. Hope you are willing to take AOTHER steep pay cut to get your dream of screwing another pilot group. Doug kissed you arses since day one. I think that may just have changed.
Tragic actually.
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Why? It isn't like he has the balls to stand up to them and do anything about it. And unfortunatly,the USAPA goons know it.
PHXFLYR
Why? It isn't like he has the balls to stand up to them and do anything about it. And unfortunatly,the USAPA goons know it.
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Exactly, and much like the dog that gets kicked, us westies are gonna pay for this. I think I just puked on my shoes.
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If the media does it's job and digs into this non story, it's gonna put all airline pilots integrity at question. This is a made up charge by USAPA that will go down as a huge blunder PR wise and negotiations wise. Parker will be looking for payback.
Also the money spent on a disingenuous full page USA today ad $112,000+ frivolous lawsuit against your own pilots $75,000 + money spent on helping furlougees $0.00 = lotso explaining to members. This is the worst union possible.
Also the money spent on a disingenuous full page USA today ad $112,000+ frivolous lawsuit against your own pilots $75,000 + money spent on helping furlougees $0.00 = lotso explaining to members. This is the worst union possible.
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I happened to see this also on CNN. I have to say though that the older blond chick the one that said that she would fly Virgin because they have NEWER jets was a F-ing idiot.
Also the fat guy with a beard who Lary made out to be like a dork at the the end of the show was equally stupid for assuming that there's no problem regarding, pilots being pressured to fly with less fuel.
I loved how the guy at LAX asked about the FAA and what their role was in all this. I was surpirsed that a regular joe even knows what the FAA is. One of the blonds also mentioned that the FAA is in bed with the major airlines so nothing is being done...
The retired CAL captain made us all proud he spoke clearly and logically and made very good points especially about how this fuel problem will affect safety in the future. As much as I hate watching aviation stuff in the media for obvious reasons, this was actually kind of informative.
Also did anybody notice how pretty much every regular pax at the airport fumbled their questions? I wonder if CNN just picked random people and told them what to ask.
Also the fat guy with a beard who Lary made out to be like a dork at the the end of the show was equally stupid for assuming that there's no problem regarding, pilots being pressured to fly with less fuel.
I loved how the guy at LAX asked about the FAA and what their role was in all this. I was surpirsed that a regular joe even knows what the FAA is. One of the blonds also mentioned that the FAA is in bed with the major airlines so nothing is being done...
The retired CAL captain made us all proud he spoke clearly and logically and made very good points especially about how this fuel problem will affect safety in the future. As much as I hate watching aviation stuff in the media for obvious reasons, this was actually kind of informative.
Also did anybody notice how pretty much every regular pax at the airport fumbled their questions? I wonder if CNN just picked random people and told them what to ask.
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you're being sarcastic .... right?
Dude...throttle back for a moment and consider....
You are correct Doug is now pissed and your guys will be able to fly across the atlantic with the APU running all of you will feel free to three engine taxi. Bravo $135 per barrel for oil, I guess you will bankrupt the company that much sooner. Well done.--->You imply that I am a part of that union...I am not...maybe you need to get your facts in order...they are not "my guys", nor do I run around with the APU running ( nor have I even heard of it)...and how is it that you know this?
And, of course, I will not be the one to "bankrupt the company that much sooner."...seems the US Airways management is doing a fine job of that all by themselves.
Rememer...it is not the employees that send airlines into Chapter 11...it's the management.
Like I said, the cost of DOH or fences just doubled. Hope you are willing to take AOTHER steep pay cut to get your dream of screwing another pilot group. Doug kissed you arses since day one. I think that may just have changed. --->Wrong again, Lieutenant...I really could care less what the "cost of DOH or fences" really is....it ain't my battle.....Seems your "hope" is misplaced about a "steep paycut" or about my "dream". and for the record...Doug has never kissed my arse....heck, I don't even know what he looks like.
...and why are you worried about it? Do you work there? Your concern should be on the almost 50% cutback in service at LAS thats coming up...furloughs...and the poor service at the PHL hub...
sheesh...
You are correct Doug is now pissed and your guys will be able to fly across the atlantic with the APU running all of you will feel free to three engine taxi. Bravo $135 per barrel for oil, I guess you will bankrupt the company that much sooner. Well done.--->You imply that I am a part of that union...I am not...maybe you need to get your facts in order...they are not "my guys", nor do I run around with the APU running ( nor have I even heard of it)...and how is it that you know this?
And, of course, I will not be the one to "bankrupt the company that much sooner."...seems the US Airways management is doing a fine job of that all by themselves.
Rememer...it is not the employees that send airlines into Chapter 11...it's the management.
Like I said, the cost of DOH or fences just doubled. Hope you are willing to take AOTHER steep pay cut to get your dream of screwing another pilot group. Doug kissed you arses since day one. I think that may just have changed. --->Wrong again, Lieutenant...I really could care less what the "cost of DOH or fences" really is....it ain't my battle.....Seems your "hope" is misplaced about a "steep paycut" or about my "dream". and for the record...Doug has never kissed my arse....heck, I don't even know what he looks like.
...and why are you worried about it? Do you work there? Your concern should be on the almost 50% cutback in service at LAS thats coming up...furloughs...and the poor service at the PHL hub...
sheesh...
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Do you know specifically everyone is running the apu across the atlantic??? hmmmm.....doubtful. haven't been on a flight yet that has intentionally wasted fuel.
Although I have seen quite a few instances of West aircraft mosey down to the last intersection, during rush hour. It seems to happen most when ATC puts one in position and tells them to be ready for an immediate, due to Airbus/757 etc on final. Seems the aircraft that just landed takes a veryyyyyyyyyy long time to clear. Could it be intentionally trying to create a go around???? Increase the burn on the east side???
Probably don't like that acusation do you guys???? And hopefully that's not the case, and it isn't that big a deal to me I don't care, and don't know as I wasn't sitting on the flight deck seeing what was going on in there. Could be anything, so unless there and actually seeing the situation or hearing, (ahhhh almost got another go around)
Then I assume there isn't any mal intent intended.
Same thing with the APU across the atlantic comment, less your sitting there and know for sure. You don't have a clue.
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Although I have seen quite a few instances of West aircraft mosey down to the last intersection, during rush hour. It seems to happen most when ATC puts one in position and tells them to be ready for an immediate, due to Airbus/757 etc on final. Seems the aircraft that just landed takes a veryyyyyyyyyy long time to clear. Could it be intentionally trying to create a go around???? Increase the burn on the east side???
Probably don't like that acusation do you guys???? And hopefully that's not the case, and it isn't that big a deal to me I don't care, and don't know as I wasn't sitting on the flight deck seeing what was going on in there. Could be anything, so unless there and actually seeing the situation or hearing, (ahhhh almost got another go around)
Then I assume there isn't any mal intent intended.
Same thing with the APU across the atlantic comment, less your sitting there and know for sure. You don't have a clue.
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There is simply no data showing an effort on the East to waste fuel.
The only "data" the westholes have are fictitious webboard posts by other westholes.
Like the ones claiming someone ran an APU across the Atlantic. Or someone had an APU running with both engines....
There are operational reasons to have the APU running with both engines. For example, MELed Generator or a Bleeds off TO.
The only "data" the westholes have are fictitious webboard posts by other westholes.
Like the ones claiming someone ran an APU across the Atlantic. Or someone had an APU running with both engines....
There are operational reasons to have the APU running with both engines. For example, MELed Generator or a Bleeds off TO.
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I'm sorry about this *(writers remorse). It was a little below the belt and I'll think we both should be above these type of comments. With apologies, we'll just agree to disagree.
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Oh Weasel, you ARE a good "Union Pilot". You make your Uncle Bradford so proud!
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ROTFLMAO. Tension Breaker! Seriously, thank you! That reminded me I have to take a step away from the keyboard and lighten up a little from time to time. I appreciate the comment. :laugh:
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Actually, those weren't supposed to be accusations, but an example of the accusations you guys are making. Anyways, once again I can see there's not a whole lot of a chance to have a rational debate regarding it.
as to my experience....about 8 years of atlantic and pacific crossings....sooooo...ya I got some time there..
as to my experience....about 8 years of atlantic and pacific crossings....sooooo...ya I got some time there..
Wow, I did not know such things. Wow, whew, you learn something new everyday I guess.
Teach me more Weasel.
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(sigh) Rational? What's happened between East and West is way beyond rational. Choosing the nuclear option to defend a mere EIGHT pilots who are wastefully tankering extra fuel around is not rational.
"Sooooo".....I know it's fun for you guys to tell each other that AWA is comprised of a bunch of glorified turbo-prop pilots. However, there are a lot of us who brought a lot of Atlantic and Pacific experience with us as well.
PS. I'm sorry you can't hold the international stuff anymore. Good luck with that.
OK this thread is getting bad.....the guys added extra fuel...no more than 2500lbs from what I hear. What's the problem? Why was this even questioned? The fact that it is not only being questioned but they were removed from the line to go back to training is a problem. I think diverting somewhere would be alot more than 2500lbs worth of fuel. We were over fueled the other day by mistake but had to send 2 messages to dispatch. First letting them know for the release, second that we did not ask for it so we didn't get removed for some extra training. Maybe there was another way to deal with it.....take the required amount on your release.....after what maybe 3 or 4 diversions for low fuel they would give the authority back to the captain? For the guy from the west that thinks we all taxi on 2 engines doesn't happen. I wouldn't make it out of philly ever taxiing on 2 engines and would have to go back to the gate constantly. And I'm sure we would be brought in if we ever went back to the gate.
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